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Can I be exempted from NS?

Posted: Fri, 08 Feb 2019 8:25 pm
by h2oreos
Hello,

I am currently 15, turning 16 at the end of march. I wasn’t born in Singapore but I have PR status. I am currently studying in a private school and I finish sometime in June, after which I plan to leave Singapore and cancel my PR status.

As far as I know, I only need to register once I am 16 and a half, so does that mean if I cancel my PR status before September I am legally exempted from NS?

Re: Can I be exempted from NS?

Posted: Fri, 08 Feb 2019 10:06 pm
by singaporeflyer
h2oreos wrote:Hello,

I am currently 15, turning 16 at the end of march. I wasn’t born in Singapore but I have PR status. I am currently studying in a private school and I finish sometime in June, after which I plan to leave Singapore and cancel my PR status.

As far as I know, I only need to register once I am 16 and a half, so does that mean if I cancel my PR status before September I am legally exempted from NS?
Did you get PR under your parent's sponsorship?

Re: Can I be exempted from NS?

Posted: Fri, 08 Feb 2019 10:47 pm
by h2oreos
singaporeflyer wrote: Did you get PR under your parent's sponsorship?
Im not really sure what this means?

Re: Can I be exempted from NS?

Posted: Sat, 09 Feb 2019 9:51 am
by jamie9vardy
h2oreos wrote:Im not really sure what this means?
SF is asking how did you obtain your PR status? Is it through your parent’s sponsorship? I.e. making you a 2nd generation PR.

Re: Can I be exempted from NS?

Posted: Sat, 09 Feb 2019 10:38 pm
by h2oreos
jamie9vardy wrote:
h2oreos wrote:Im not really sure what this means?
SF is asking how did you obtain your PR status? Is it through your parent’s sponsorship? I.e. making you a 2nd generation PR.
I think so yeah.

Re: Can I be exempted from NS?

Posted: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 1:55 am
by jimmy.sanchez
Parent sponsorship doesn't matter. As long as get PR before 18, need to do NS.

Eg. when I was in school, back when policy was lax, some of those who come to study and live with "foster" families got PR with invitation letter from ICA, still need to do NS.

You can cancel any time, even half way through NS, and be legally exempted. Which is why many Singaporeans are angry. Just make sure you have a good country to move on to.

Eg. I know someone during JC, born in USA. Cancelled PR after A-levels, went to Harvard. Another person PR cancelled halfway through NS vocational school, went to UK for university.

NS is a major commitment. Personally I think that in order for a PR to commit to NS, there should at least be a guarantee of accelerated citizenship. Without such a guarantee, one's immigration status is basically in limbo, similar to the DACA situation in the US.

Re: Can I be exempted from NS?

Posted: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 9:03 am
by Forest 123
My son is 11yr old PR under my sponsorship but has never studied or stay in SG as we stay in JB. My PR is due for renewal next year and I plan not to renew his PR. Will he get enlistment letter for NS when he reach 16.5 or 17 year old?

Re: Can I be exempted from NS?

Posted: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 9:03 am
by Forest 123
My son is 11yr old PR under my sponsorship but has never studied or stay in SG as we stay in JB. My PR is due for renewal next year and I plan not to renew his PR. Will he get enlistment letter for NS when he reach 16.5 or 17 year old?

Re: Can I be exempted from NS?

Posted: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 12:38 pm
by PNGMK
Forest 123 wrote:
Mon, 01 Jul 2019 9:03 am
My son is 11yr old PR under my sponsorship but has never studied or stay in SG as we stay in JB. My PR is due for renewal next year and I plan not to renew his PR. Will he get enlistment letter for NS when he reach 16.5 or 17 year old?
You should inform CMPB of your intention of this. They will help navigate so you don't get an enlistment letter. At that age and not having received any socioeconomic benefits it should be ok.

Re: Can I be exempted from NS?

Posted: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 12:55 pm
by sundaymorningstaple
I wouldn't count on it. The fact that they are not living in Singapore and he isn't schooling in Singapore I believe will not make any difference as while they technically haven't enjoyed the socio-economic benefits of being a PR, it WAS afforded to them for the whole period that they held the blue NRICs. That alone will constitute enjoying the socio-economic benefits of Singapore. I believe he will get a letter from NS and I believe he will have to serve as otherwise that creates a bad precedence and then all PR's with male offspring will move to Johore and go to foreign schools but still hold PR. Add the fact that the parent is keeping their PR it's kind of obvious what is happening.

Nah, he's gonna do NS (or his parents re-entry permit will not be renewed) - this was in the news again in the past couple of days saying this exact thing about not renewing the parents Reentry permits - As the son is sponsored by the parents, his has to be renewed at the same time. If it's not included, it's likely the parents could have their renewal rejected at the same time. Good Luck.

http://everything.explained.today/Natio ... Singapore/

"In the Singapore Parliament on 5 August 2014, the Minister of Defence stated that, according to records, no such persons have been granted reinstatement of permanent residence or citizenship. He added that the policy has been progressively tightened recently such that no NS-liable permanent resident who has renounced his permanent resident status in the last decade has been granted approval for work or study. For former permanent residents who fail to serve NS, any immediate or future applications including the renewal of their parents' and inclusive of immediate family members' Re-Entry Permits will be adversely affected, including curtailment of the Re-Entry Permit."
PNGMK wrote:
Mon, 01 Jul 2019 12:38 pm
Forest 123 wrote:
Mon, 01 Jul 2019 9:03 am
My son is 11yr old PR under my sponsorship but has never studied or stay in SG as we stay in JB. My PR is due for renewal next year and I plan not to renew his PR. Will he get enlistment letter for NS when he reach 16.5 or 17 year old?
You should inform CMPB of your intention of this. They will help navigate so you don't get an enlistment letter. At that age and not having received any socioeconomic benefits it should be ok.

Re: Can I be exempted from NS?

Posted: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 1:44 pm
by Forest 123
If I leave Sg for good since I don't get my PR renewal approval when I don't include my son REP renewal with me. So what will be the consequences for my son in NS enlistment? Does he still need to serve NS? He is 11 year old and do not have Sg Blue IC.

Re: Can I be exempted from NS?

Posted: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 3:49 pm
by PNGMK
He won't have to serve NS but there maybe future issues if he wants to live and work in Singapore as an adult later on.

Re: Can I be exempted from NS?

Posted: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 3:53 pm
by sundaymorningstaple
As he is only 11 years old, if the whole family gives up their PR, then I don't think he will have any problems. Once he turns 13, they've got him. And you'd be stuck with applying for exit permits and/or bonds etc,. I'm sure you can see how it would look if the male son who was coming to the age of being liable for NS give up the PR but the parents don't. With a little more foresight/knowledge of National Service for male children of PRs, you should have never gotten him PR, but kept him on a renewable LTVP if he was pre-school and then put on a student visa - never would have been an issue however, as soon as he got PR, the hooks into the whole family were set and now it is a rough way to find out.