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Re: Gahmen fcked the market with their BS ABSD

Post by PNGMK » Wed, 25 Jun 2025 11:43 am

Yes, a CGT is actually more effective but they also have the SSD (Seller Stamp Duty) - IMO it would be a better tool to modify as it encourages long term holding rather than flipping. I expect we will see a change in SSD actually.
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Post by NYY1 » Wed, 25 Jun 2025 7:49 pm

SSD alone isn't really that much of a deterrent. Most people (even investors) are going to hold the property beyond three years. CGT is similar, although it would remove one friction when someone needs to sell relatively soon but doesn't have large gains. CGT is probably better aligned/fairer for the en bloc situation as well (SSD is another friction to buying old properties, which probably reduces liquidity).

ABSD is likely a much stronger deterrent to people acquiring large blocks of properties (or non-SC/PR buying at all); whether this is justified or creates other problems is a separate argument.

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Post by PNGMK » Wed, 25 Jun 2025 11:05 pm

I honestly don't think they know what they're doing or there are internal PAP divisions on this.
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Post by NYY1 » Thu, 26 Jun 2025 10:27 am

Both may be true?

Here are some stats on the last 15 years (2010-2024):
US Shares (S&P 500) = 13.7%
Ex-US Shares (in USD) = 5.8%
US property (Case Shiller) = 5.4%
US Inflation = 2.6%
Singapore Property (non-landed, all segments) = 5.2%
Singapore Property CCR (non-landed) = 3.7%
Singapore Inflation = 2.1%

Property movements tend to come in booms and busts. This was a while ago, but over extended periods of time, I believe a lot of markets were more like inflation plus 1%-2%.

Anyways, the figures above are just out of interest. ABSD has certainly had an impact on things.

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Re: Gahmen fcked the market with their BS ABSD

Post by malcontent » Thu, 26 Jun 2025 12:52 pm

abbby wrote:
Wed, 25 Jun 2025 9:50 am
And now locals are the ones who cannot stop buying new launches causing property prices to rise so much. So I think time to remove / reduce ABSD and perhaps look into capital gain tax (ie: selling in 3rd,4th,5th yr) to reduce the speculative behaviour. It's not healthy for the next generation who are buying properties
ABSD is on the entire value, CGT is only on the gain, so it means far less tax revenue, and because it comes at the time of sale instead of purchase, it won’t be top of mind when buying.

Rules around financing, specifically on how large of a downpayment is required, is the easiest and most effective way to reduce speculation. The government could also impose an additional interest rate surcharge for 2nd property and up.

But none of that is going to make the property market more affordable for the next generation… for that, you MUST increase supply of housing, plain and simple.
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Re: Gahmen fcked the market with their BS ABSD

Post by PNGMK » Fri, 04 Jul 2025 7:26 am

So we are now officially in a communist country. (Unless you're a minister). Also I called it. This won't be the last time the useless busybodies meddle with SSD.

*The SSD was introduced in 2010 as a deterrent against flipping property for profit.*

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Re: Gahmen fcked the market with their BS ABSD

Post by Pal » Fri, 04 Jul 2025 7:43 am

I don't think there is much impact increasing the holding period from 3 to 4 years.
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Re: Gahmen fcked the market with their BS ABSD

Post by abbby » Fri, 04 Jul 2025 9:54 am

If this revised SSD doesn't work then probably they will relook into ABSD.
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