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Re: Shooting at US grocery stores

Post by Myasis Dragon » Wed, 18 May 2022 10:21 am

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Wed, 18 May 2022 8:42 am
The biased, narrative spinning news media (on both sides) has done more harm to society than guns ever have. Of that there can be no doubt.
You are so incredibly wrong with this comment. Unless you're referring to Tucker Carlson and Fox, aka, Feaux News.

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Re: Shooting at US grocery stores

Post by malcontent » Wed, 18 May 2022 10:45 am

Myasis Dragon wrote:
Wed, 18 May 2022 10:21 am
malcontent wrote:
Wed, 18 May 2022 8:42 am
The biased, narrative spinning news media (on both sides) has done more harm to society than guns ever have. Of that there can be no doubt.
You are so incredibly wrong with this comment. Unless you're referring to Tucker Carlson and Fox, aka, Feaux News.
We are in full agreement on Tucker Carlson. But the media bias and narrative spin on both sides has fueled intolerance, division and hatred in their own ways, tearing at the fabric of society. I am wholly disgusted with all the major networks. The only nightly news that I can stomach anymore is CBN News.
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Re: Shooting at US grocery stores

Post by malcontent » Wed, 18 May 2022 1:46 pm

RobSg wrote:
Wed, 18 May 2022 10:14 am
An 18 year old white teenager murdered 10 black people in a grocery store and was influenced on the internet by people like Tucker Carlson and his replacement theory. That's not biased or spinning. It's straightforward news. About 7,000 people each year are killed by guns in the EU. About 60,000 American are killed each year. They have gun laws. America doesn't. That's a fact with no spinning.

Do we need to examine why racism exists in America? We'd be crazy if we did not. Is there systemic racism in police departments. Of course there is. Should schools devote time to this? Yes, because if we don't, American kids will grow up as racist as someone like Carlson. Critical race theory is essential, and those that don't agree are usually well to do white people.

Everyone should have the right to own a gun. However, get licensed for it.
IMHO to be able to go out in many of the states and buy a gun with no back ground check and no experience is insane. Do you need a semi-automatic gun or rifle?

Sorry, getting carried away here, but for heavens sakes, you can have a gun, but take a test and be qualified like with a drivers license. This nonsense that people kill and guns don't is so ridiculous.

Thank you for letting a former Singapore resident vent here. I still pop in a few times a month.
Would be good if more come back and get more active on this board.

I definitely agree with background checks and restrictions on automatic weapons.

However, I cannot agree on critical race theory teaching people they are a victim of their skin color. I actually believe that my kids will have greater opportunities working in the US than their fully white counterparts because of affirmative action. I also believe they will face reverse discrimination if they put Asian on their college application. Neither one is right, it should always be merit based, regardless of race.
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Re: Shooting at US grocery stores

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 18 May 2022 5:54 pm

Rob, I have no issue with stricter gun laws as long as they are uniformly applied across all states and do not ban gun ownership outright for the obvious reasons. All my guns were registered and serial numbered and recorded by the local police departments (albeit some long owned but at least accounted for). Yes, I agree to licensing, and mandatory training and even subsequent training later for different types of firearms if significantly different, e.g, the difference between a rifle and a shotgun. As far as banning semi-automatic weapons, that is a joke as most people don't even know the difference between automatic and semi-automatic. Semi-automatic rifles have been used for hunting since the end of WWI when the 1903 Springfield rifles were converted from military use to civilian use. Browning (Belgium) shotguns have been semi-automatic for at least 60 years (when my father bought his first of two). Bump stocks should be banned however as should silencers for civilian use.
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Re: Shooting at US grocery stores

Post by Lisafuller » Mon, 23 May 2022 3:29 am

malcontent wrote:
Sun, 15 May 2022 3:21 pm
abbby wrote:
Sun, 15 May 2022 11:39 am
Unless they can change the gun laws I think this will just continue...

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/r ... ?cid=FBcna
If they made guns legal in Singapore do you really think there would suddenly be a bunch of shootings? It ain’t about gun laws, it’s about nut jobs — with the mentality of this dude, if he didn’t have a gun, he would have used a knife or some other weapon. You might slow him down, but you ain’t gonna stop him. His mind was made up.

What would help is to stop the hatred and division being peddled in classrooms by the extreme left… nonsense like critical race theory and BLM - we need more people like Lil Wayne speaking out against it.

https://youtu.be/IwwwJr36HFk

https://youtu.be/hRI38cu7N-A
You’re exactly right, but unfortunately it is much, much easier said than done. Eradicating such deeply entrenched hatred will take decades, generations even.

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Re: Shooting at US grocery stores

Post by Lisafuller » Mon, 23 May 2022 3:30 am

Myasis Dragon wrote:
Wed, 18 May 2022 10:21 am
malcontent wrote:
Wed, 18 May 2022 8:42 am
The biased, narrative spinning news media (on both sides) has done more harm to society than guns ever have. Of that there can be no doubt.
You are so incredibly wrong with this comment. Unless you're referring to Tucker Carlson and Fox, aka, Feaux News.
If you’re getting your news from fox, you’d be better off staying away from the news altogether.

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Re: Shooting at US grocery stores

Post by Lisafuller » Mon, 23 May 2022 3:31 am

Myasis Dragon wrote:
Mon, 16 May 2022 1:24 am
I'm waiting for some yahoo to yet again state, "An armed society is a polite society." Nothing could be further from the truth, and it's the reason that our ancestors put gun laws into place.

This obsession with guns really needs to be included in the DSM manual of psychiatric diagnoses.
Exactly. There should be no place for guns in society at all, however the problem is that it’s pretty difficult to enforce any such law in reality. Even if they outlawed guns, people would still find a way to get their hands on them

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Re: Shooting at US grocery stores

Post by Lisafuller » Mon, 23 May 2022 3:33 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Mon, 16 May 2022 6:35 pm
I like the fact that in Switzerland, virtually every household has at least one gun of the assault rifle style. And kids are taught how to shoot at a very early age (girls as well now). There are strict gun laws, but with roughly 25% of the gun owning population doubling as police or military duties. They take they responsibilities.
This only works if the people have self control in common sense, which Americans do not. We only have unbridled rage and insanity.

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Re: Shooting at US grocery stores

Post by Lisafuller » Mon, 23 May 2022 3:35 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Tue, 17 May 2022 12:10 pm
The problem, as a former farmer with a then rather large collection of various firearms (all hunting firearms with the exception of the pistols of which maybe half had significant memories attached to them (like my Colt 1911 military issued sidearm. None of them were ever used on another human being (not even the Colt while in the military). Nor have I ever considered that as an option. I also had three reloaders for spent cartridges. I was also a hardcore hunter for the table only.

The problem is all the gun laws in the world doesn't stop the violent deaths at the hands of other. Guns outlawed? No problem, parangs will do in Singapore or M'sia or Indonesia, Sarin works well in Japan. Or homemade bombs like that which tore a hole in the Marriot hotel in Jakarta in 2003. Or let go to the Jamestown Massacre via poisoning. The list goes on and on and on. Banning guns only reduces the peace-loving population ability to make a shooter hesitate to wonder if the victim is also armed and if he were to miss the victim. But take his gun away and he will find another way to dispatch his victims as noted by some of the examples above.

Now it might reduce the number of deaths where the shooting was a crime of passion/suicide but I sincerely doubt it. Singapore suicide death rates have been climbing over the past two decades by jumpers. Deaths by stabbings will just get higher if guns are outlawed as when in a rage of passion, one usually picks up whatever is handy or nearby. Hammers & knives are always a good choice. The statistic one should look at is overall number of violent deaths and the percentage of increase to see if the problem isn't a social or political one rather than trying to put all the blame on guns. Guns don't kill people. People kill people, as cliché as it sounds, it's true.
That may be true, but I do think it would at least help a little considering so many deaths are caused by gun violence. Although then it could also be argued that the reason this is the case is because guns are the most widely accessible of any lethal weapon in the first place.

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Re: Shooting at US grocery stores

Post by Lisafuller » Mon, 23 May 2022 3:36 am

malcontent wrote:
Wed, 18 May 2022 10:45 am
Myasis Dragon wrote:
Wed, 18 May 2022 10:21 am
malcontent wrote:
Wed, 18 May 2022 8:42 am
The biased, narrative spinning news media (on both sides) has done more harm to society than guns ever have. Of that there can be no doubt.
You are so incredibly wrong with this comment. Unless you're referring to Tucker Carlson and Fox, aka, Feaux News.
We are in full agreement on Tucker Carlson. But the media bias and narrative spin on both sides has fueled intolerance, division and hatred in their own ways, tearing at the fabric of society. I am wholly disgusted with all the major networks. The only nightly news that I can stomach anymore is CBN News.
I go with CNN.

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Re: Shooting at US grocery stores

Post by malcontent » Mon, 23 May 2022 12:17 pm

Lisafuller wrote:
Mon, 23 May 2022 3:36 am
malcontent wrote:
Wed, 18 May 2022 10:45 am
Myasis Dragon wrote:
Wed, 18 May 2022 10:21 am


You are so incredibly wrong with this comment. Unless you're referring to Tucker Carlson and Fox, aka, Feaux News.
We are in full agreement on Tucker Carlson. But the media bias and narrative spin on both sides has fueled intolerance, division and hatred in their own ways, tearing at the fabric of society. I am wholly disgusted with all the major networks. The only nightly news that I can stomach anymore is CBN News.
I go with CNN.
CNN used to be real news, but in recent times it has become just as bad or worse. I hope I am not the only one who sees through the nonsense that both Fox and CNN churn out, there is too much spinning of narratives, and neither are fair or objective in many aspects. You just can’t trust the mainstream news out of the US these days without a big dose of skepticism… constantly having to filter out the political bias. I find it all disgusting.
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Re: Shooting at US grocery stores

Post by Lisafuller » Mon, 23 May 2022 10:37 pm

malcontent wrote:
Mon, 23 May 2022 12:17 pm
Lisafuller wrote:
Mon, 23 May 2022 3:36 am
malcontent wrote:
Wed, 18 May 2022 10:45 am


We are in full agreement on Tucker Carlson. But the media bias and narrative spin on both sides has fueled intolerance, division and hatred in their own ways, tearing at the fabric of society. I am wholly disgusted with all the major networks. The only nightly news that I can stomach anymore is CBN News.
I go with CNN.
CNN used to be real news, but in recent times it has become just as bad or worse. I hope I am not the only one who sees through the nonsense that both Fox and CNN churn out, there is too much spinning of narratives, and neither are fair or objective in many aspects. You just can’t trust the mainstream news out of the US these days without a big dose of skepticism… constantly having to filter out the political bias. I find it all disgusting.
True, the media has a tendency to sensationalize news just for more clicks, so we need to be more perceptive.

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Re: Shooting at US grocery stores

Post by x9200 » Wed, 25 May 2022 7:56 am

:(
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... lde-latest
Primary school, 14 students and the teacher.
It's really unbelievable it happens again and again and some people fail to see the obvious (euphemistically speaking).

Edited:
Texas state Senator Roland Gutierrez says death toll is now 21 in mass shooting

The death toll in a mass shooting targeting an elementary school on Tuesday has now risen to 21, according to Texas state senator Roland Gutierrez, including 18 children and three adults.

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Re: Shooting at US grocery stores

Post by PNGMK » Wed, 25 May 2022 9:45 am

I've given up on the US and the 2A issue.

The way I cope is to drink a beer and dedicate it to those young kids who never will.

It's more effective than thoughts and prayers I think.
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Re: Shooting at US grocery stores

Post by midlet2013 » Wed, 25 May 2022 10:36 am

I cannot understand why they target innocent people and kids. If they want to make a statement, there are better ways. And even if they want to make a point, they do not live to see that happen.

Its like they are so bitter that they want to maximise the damage and hurt. Really sickening

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