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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by TropicalExpat » Tue, 01 Sep 2020 1:49 pm

tush222 wrote:
Tue, 01 Sep 2020 1:25 pm
Thanks for your inputs,
I am an Australian citizen by conferral.
Just wondering to ask regarding your comment on the " perceived as a PR collector" I have a colleague who is PR for last 20 years but not willing to take citizenship. So why SG government not forcing those PR holders to take Singapore citizenship?
thanks.
They can't force them to do so. However, what they have been doing over the years is widening the gap between the benefits of being a SC and those of a PR

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PR approval chance in 2020

Post by jamie9vardy » Tue, 01 Sep 2020 1:51 pm

tush222 wrote:Thanks for your inputs,
I am an Australian citizen by conferral.
Just wondering to ask regarding your comment on the " perceived as a PR collector" I have a colleague who is PR for last 20 years but not willing to take citizenship. So why SG government not forcing those PR holders to take Singapore citizenship?
thanks.
Very good question. With the record number of seats won by the Opposition in the recent election and the formal appointment of the Opposition Leader, expect this very question to surface again.

“He (Pritam) noted, for example, how in 2018 he had posed a parliamentary question seeking details on the number of long-term Singapore permanent residents (PRs) over certain periods and their reasons for not taking up full citizenship.
Read more at https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/p ... as-despite

Also this, the President, when she was still a PAP MP had this to say:

Jurong GRC MP Halimah Yacob welcomed the latest comments, but felt the important point was that PRs should eventually make up their minds if they want to take up citizenship.
She told MediaCorp: “Otherwise, we would have a situation where they would stay here just to have the best of both worlds

https://lkyspp.nus.edu.sg/docs/default- ... 889a710a_2

They can’t force those long-time PR to convert by legislating it but maybe there will be suggestions to limit the REP renewal. Benefits of PR have anyway reduced significantly over the years.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by the observer » Tue, 01 Sep 2020 1:58 pm

tush222 wrote:
Tue, 01 Sep 2020 1:25 pm
Thanks for your inputs,
I am an Australian citizen by conferral.
Just wondering to ask regarding your comment on the " perceived as a PR collector" I have a colleague who is PR for last 20 years but not willing to take citizenship. So why SG government not forcing those PR holders to take Singapore citizenship?
thanks.
That's a question to be asked in Parliament, not in this forum.

I think this forum collects anecdotal evidences and spews back the chances to you, when you seek a opinion on your odds.

The way I see it, there's no harm in applying.
Its still the luck of the draw, within your ethnic group.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Tue, 01 Sep 2020 1:59 pm

tush222 wrote:
Tue, 01 Sep 2020 1:25 pm
Thanks for your inputs,
I am an Australian citizen by conferral.
Just wondering to ask regarding your comment on the " perceived as a PR collector" I have a colleague who is PR for last 20 years but not willing to take citizenship. So why SG government not forcing those PR holders to take Singapore citizenship?
thanks.
It may be examples like that which may have made ICA to tighten up the policies. But as long as they stay in SG permanently and contribute to SG, it is still OK rather than someone who has 2-3 PR's/Citizenship's and suddenly leave SG for good.

Also to clarify PR collector is someone who has PR or SC or 2 or more countries. Is your colleague having PR of 2 or more countries? I dont think so. Also in your case, you already have been granted Aus CZN and now you are trying to apply for SG PR and hence you may be viewed as a collector. So it is not right to compare your case with your colleague.

Also to note there was sometime during REP renewal, PR holders are encouraged to take up citizenship. If that was offered and they didnt take up, then if ever in future there are put in a situation where they are out of SG for few years, etc- it will be close to impossible to get SC in future. ICA remembers all that has happened in one's application along the way.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by ginza7788 » Fri, 04 Sep 2020 12:07 pm

Hi! appreciate the review of my application :D

Age : 28
Race : Chinese
Nationality : Filipino
Gender : Female
Marital Status : Single
Religion : Buddhist
Education : Degree in Legal Management from top university in the Philippines
Current position : Legal Consultant for a Private Healthcare Practice (podiatry)
Length of stay : 4 years +
No of tax return : 3
Salary : Basic 60k~
Pass : EP

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by TropicalExpat » Fri, 04 Sep 2020 12:29 pm

ginza7788 wrote:
Fri, 04 Sep 2020 12:07 pm
Hi! appreciate the review of my application :D

Age : 28
Race : Chinese
Nationality : Filipino
Gender : Female
Marital Status : Single
Religion : Buddhist
Education : Degree in Legal Management from top university in the Philippines
Current position : Legal Consultant for a Private Healthcare Practice (podiatry)
Length of stay : 4 years +
No of tax return : 3
Salary : Basic 60k~
Pass : EP
I'd say a reasonable chance. Ethnicity is right, age is young and industry seems to be something Singapore will be looking more into for the future.

Go ahead and apply. Please let us know.

And good luck!

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by audreysm » Fri, 04 Sep 2020 12:31 pm

Does anyone know if it's still possible to appeal a PR rejection and the process? There's nothing online about the process and the automated chatbot simply tells me to start a fresh application.

EDIT: The FAQs says this...

Question:
How do I submit an appeal after my Permanent Resident (PR) application is rejected?

Answer:
Each PR application is carefully considered and reviewed before a decision is made. If you are still interested to be considered for PR, please submit a fresh application online through ICA’s e-Service after six months.

So I guess it's not possible anymore? :(

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by TropicalExpat » Fri, 04 Sep 2020 3:11 pm

audreysm wrote:
Fri, 04 Sep 2020 12:31 pm
Does anyone know if it's still possible to appeal a PR rejection and the process? There's nothing online about the process and the automated chatbot simply tells me to start a fresh application.

EDIT: The FAQs says this...

Question:
How do I submit an appeal after my Permanent Resident (PR) application is rejected?

Answer:
Each PR application is carefully considered and reviewed before a decision is made. If you are still interested to be considered for PR, please submit a fresh application online through ICA’s e-Service after six months.

So I guess it's not possible anymore? :(
There used to be an email address floating around which you could email but I can't seem to find it
Failing that, I guess you could contact them via their feedback form
https://www.ica.gov.sg/feedbackform

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by singaporeflyer » Fri, 04 Sep 2020 3:33 pm

audreysm wrote:
Fri, 04 Sep 2020 12:31 pm
Does anyone know if it's still possible to appeal a PR rejection and the process? There's nothing online about the process and the automated chatbot simply tells me to start a fresh application.

EDIT: The FAQs says this...

Question:
How do I submit an appeal after my Permanent Resident (PR) application is rejected?

Answer:
Each PR application is carefully considered and reviewed before a decision is made. If you are still interested to be considered for PR, please submit a fresh application online through ICA’s e-Service after six months.

So I guess it's not possible anymore? :(
To be honest, appeals does not make any difference unless you missed out something big in the main application. Else, you are just wasting your time. The same is true, if you reapply as a new application after 6 months with no significant change in your application.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by PNGMK » Sat, 05 Sep 2020 10:12 am

tush222 wrote:
Tue, 01 Sep 2020 9:57 am
Hi Friends,
I am planning to apply PR with my family and like to know the chance of approval. Please help to provide your valuable inputs based on your experience in this forum.

Age: 39
Race: Indian
Current citizenship: Australian
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Education: PhD from Australia
Job: Research and Technology
Field of work: Medical Company
Length of stay in Singapore: 1.8 years
Income Tax Assessment: 1 Submitted
Total Job Experience: 18 Years
Salary:140k+
Pass: EP

applying with
- my wife on DP -Working as a Pre-school English Teacher
- Daughter - 7-year-old (Born in Australia)
- Son- 3-year-old (Born in Australia)

Your inputs on my post are highly appreciated. Thanks a lot for your help.
Extremely low due to Australian citizenship and Indian Race.
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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by daria1 » Sat, 05 Sep 2020 10:47 am

PNGMK wrote:
Sat, 05 Sep 2020 10:12 am
Extremely low due to Australian citizenship and Indian Race.
Why is Australian citizen low? Prima facie caucasian bucket?? Or are you referring to Australian and Indian - collecting residencies i.e. moved to Au later in life, gathered citizenship and now moving to the next one??

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by TropicalExpat » Sat, 05 Sep 2020 11:16 am

daria1 wrote:
Sat, 05 Sep 2020 10:47 am
PNGMK wrote:
Sat, 05 Sep 2020 10:12 am
Extremely low due to Australian citizenship and Indian Race.
Why is Australian citizen low? Prima facie caucasian bucket?? Or are you referring to Australian and Indian - collecting residencies i.e. moved to Au later in life, gathered citizenship and now moving to the next one??
General sense on this forum is that certain nationalities are trying to play the "collect as many PR" as possible... not with the aim to put down roots, but to try and pick out "the best".
Singapore doesn't like that. It's a small country and doesn't need to deal with that kind of, I might if I feel like it kind of attitude.

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by PNGMK » Sat, 05 Sep 2020 11:40 am

daria1 wrote:
Sat, 05 Sep 2020 10:47 am
PNGMK wrote:
Sat, 05 Sep 2020 10:12 am
Extremely low due to Australian citizenship and Indian Race.
Why is Australian citizen low? Prima facie caucasian bucket?? Or are you referring to Australian and Indian - collecting residencies i.e. moved to Au later in life, gathered citizenship and now moving to the next one??
Daria - TE has it right but I'd add that ICA are aware that Indian's have been using Singapore as a stepping stone to USA due to the US having a FTA with Singapore and an underused H1B1 category (but so does Australia under E2 or E3 I think). But remember the principal reason ICA give out PR now is to generate growth in PAP voting citizens. A person who already has two passports is not likely to give them both up for a Singapore passport...now if I am mistaken and you only have Australian pp now there is still a strong argument (and it's backed by stats) that Aussie PR's rarely convert to SC - I am one and I know quite a few others who will never become SC and that's not what ICA really want.
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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by subconwretch » Sat, 05 Sep 2020 5:37 pm

PNGMK wrote:
Sat, 05 Sep 2020 11:40 am
daria1 wrote:
Sat, 05 Sep 2020 10:47 am
PNGMK wrote:
Sat, 05 Sep 2020 10:12 am
Extremely low due to Australian citizenship and Indian Race.
Why is Australian citizen low? Prima facie caucasian bucket?? Or are you referring to Australian and Indian - collecting residencies i.e. moved to Au later in life, gathered citizenship and now moving to the next one??
Daria - TE has it right but I'd add that ICA are aware that Indian's have been using Singapore as a stepping stone to USA due to the US having a FTA with Singapore and an underused H1B1 category (but so does Australia under E2 or E3 I think). But remember the principal reason ICA give out PR now is to generate growth in PAP voting citizens. A person who already has two passports is not likely to give them both up for a Singapore passport...now if I am mistaken and you only have Australian pp now there is still a strong argument (and it's backed by stats) that Aussie PR's rarely convert to SC - I am one and I know quite a few others who will never become SC and that's not what ICA really want.
I wonder what leads to this blanket assumption that those who have obtained citizenship other than by birth would vote PAP. There is no reason why any new citizen would vote for the PAP more than any other citizen of a similar socio-economic standing. (Though it is true that the socioeconomic standing is likely to be somewhat better off given that it is a criteria in granting them citizenship).
I have in fact met many such new citizen opposition voters in greater proportion than the average populace. Their gripes and inclinations, after all, aren't that different from other singaporeans, given that most have been here for the better part of their lives and many are married to local-born singaporeans.

This seems to be something of a convenient drum-beating statement used a lot off late by disgruntled pro-opposition online commenters, especially citing places such as the east coast. If one did the math behind the claims, it is far from being plausible.
I hope the opposition parties, especially those who have gained greater prominence recently, actively garner support from these new citizens and win them over to their side, instead of alienating them further by encouraging such antagonistic statements which would be contrary to their interests.T

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Re: PR approval chance in 2020

Post by PNGMK » Sat, 05 Sep 2020 7:01 pm

subconwretch wrote:
Sat, 05 Sep 2020 5:37 pm
PNGMK wrote:
Sat, 05 Sep 2020 11:40 am
daria1 wrote:
Sat, 05 Sep 2020 10:47 am


Why is Australian citizen low? Prima facie caucasian bucket?? Or are you referring to Australian and Indian - collecting residencies i.e. moved to Au later in life, gathered citizenship and now moving to the next one??
Daria - TE has it right but I'd add that ICA are aware that Indian's have been using Singapore as a stepping stone to USA due to the US having a FTA with Singapore and an underused H1B1 category (but so does Australia under E2 or E3 I think). But remember the principal reason ICA give out PR now is to generate growth in PAP voting citizens. A person who already has two passports is not likely to give them both up for a Singapore passport...now if I am mistaken and you only have Australian pp now there is still a strong argument (and it's backed by stats) that Aussie PR's rarely convert to SC - I am one and I know quite a few others who will never become SC and that's not what ICA really want.
I wonder what leads to this blanket assumption that those who have obtained citizenship other than by birth would vote PAP. There is no reason why any new citizen would vote for the PAP more than any other citizen of a similar socio-economic standing. (Though it is true that the socioeconomic standing is likely to be somewhat better off given that it is a criteria in granting them citizenship).
I have in fact met many such new citizen opposition voters in greater proportion than the average populace. Their gripes and inclinations, after all, aren't that different from other singaporeans, given that most have been here for the better part of their lives and many are married to local-born singaporeans.

This seems to be something of a convenient drum-beating statement used a lot off late by disgruntled pro-opposition online commenters, especially citing places such as the east coast. If one did the math behind the claims, it is far from being plausible.
I hope the opposition parties, especially those who have gained greater prominence recently, actively garner support from these new citizens and win them over to their side, instead of alienating them further by encouraging such antagonistic statements which would be contrary to their interests.T
Polling I believe has shown this to be true. I can't cite it but that is my understanding. Also there is some logic.... the oppo are NOT in favour of increased or even current level migration.
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