bman2 wrote:1. How do I check whether I am a Singapore citizen? Do I go to the Singapore embassy and just ask them to look me up? However, that will just serve to alert them to my existence when I may be under the radar at this point.
2. On the other hand, it looks like I fulfill all the requirements for renouncing Singapore citizenship (assuming that I have it) according to this forum, except that I didn't inform the government of the intention to renounce at the age of 13. It is hardly my fault so can they disregard this?
3. Is my son also Singaporean? And just out of interest, if he is not automatically Singaporean, but he later decided that he wants to live there, could he claim the citizenship and go and do NS while I never set foot on that island again?
Thanks once again.
He most surely is a Singapore Citizen by birth which will take precedence over all other Citizenships and until he finds a way to legally renounce it, he will remain at risk for both desertion and holding multiple citizenships in violation of Singapore law which applies before all others.I am a 23 year old male born in Singapore. My parents were both Singaporean. We lived in Singapore for 4 years.
It's funny you said that, because my mother was Eurasian and I also look mixed Chinese/white. Why is the IF in capitals?sundaymorningstaple wrote:Now, assuming his passport shows him as his place of birth as Singapore, and IF he is Asian...
He might have to go to M'sia and wait there and have his rellies visit him in JB. He might be able to negotiate a fine only as was done with Mervin Tan (The Piano Man who went to the UK many years ago).
That's interesting, but I would need to obtain proof of being Singaporean from the embassy first, and I wonder if any of this would count against him. Reading other forums looks like people just get denied for any reason. When getting ILR in the UK you are only denied soundly based on law, or if the case officer makes a mistake which you can appeal against. My son is only 3/8ths Chinese btw.katbh wrote:He could apply to be PR and could have a good go at it on the basis of his grandparents being Singaporean.
bman2 wrote: 2 things recently happened which led me to this forum amongst others.
1) My wife gave birth and I have been trying to obtain Australian citizenship by descent for our son. On the form I put that I am British and Australian. Later, the high commission called me and informed me that actually I had been naturalised as Australian, not by birth. And then they said I was Singaporean before and am I still Singaporean? I said, shortly after I submitted the form, something happened which led me to wonder the same thing...
Which High Commission are you referring to ?
If you are an Ozzie and Pomps but naturalised manner then you are good to go. The high comm has diddly squat to Hold your son being an Ozzie. No grounds at all.
Yes, the high comm will inform SG about you that is about all since this has been happening since man found a cave.
2) a statutory declaration saying that I was born on XX date in Singapore and that A and B are my parents, signed by my mum on my 7th birthday, and also her certificate of Australian citizenship saying that citizenship was acquired on XX date (which is very near to my 7th birthday). I have never seen a birth certificate for myself, which presumably would have been issued by Singapore - and I have never needed to show one, not even for UK immigration, so I have never seen that statutory declaration either until recently.
You are a Singaporean period until you renounce your SG citizenship
The high commission said that they want proof that I either am, or am no longer, a Singaporean. Apparently, on another forum, if I apply for him inside Australia they won't ask for that, so I could try that.
Why does the OZ high comm wants this proof and on what grounds.
Come back to Oz and do it here in Canberra
So -
1. How do I check whether I am a Singapore citizen? Do I go to the Singapore embassy and just ask them to look me up? However, that will just serve to alert them to my existence when I may be under the radar at this point.
On your BC there is a number on the right hand top corner. This can be used to check with Citizen Advise Bureau. You have to get a local to check for you if you are still in existence. Chances are YES
2. On the other hand, it looks like I fulfill all the requirements for renouncing Singapore citizenship (assuming that I have it) according to this forum, except that I didn't inform the government of the intention to renounce at the age of 13. It is hardly my fault so can they disregard this?
If you do not have any ties here, SCREW IT. The hassle of renouncing will be a challenge and all application to renounce is based on its INDIVIDUAL MERIT. No two application is the same. Though I normally got it right 95%.
Moreover you are only 23, if you apply to renounce, you might have to serve NS then you are allowed to renounce. Whatever grounds you mitigate may not be accepted by MINDEF
3. Is my son also Singaporean? And just out of interest, if he is not automatically Singaporean, but he later decided that he wants to live there, could he claim the citizenship and go and do NS while I never set foot on that island again?
Your son is NOT a SGer. To be one you can apply under Parent of SG Descent. No one has done this and this application period only up to 7 years from the date of birth. You can try if your son chose but I do not want to take a bet
On your question about database. All agencies are linked under ONE metadata but no they are not going to look for you as your are not a POI
Thanks once again.
OK, how do I find out this number? As I said, I don't have any birth certificate from Singapore (presumably I used to have one). Can they look up from name and date of birth? (Actually, I don't even know whether my current passport name is the same name I was born with in Singapore, it's certainly possible that my mum wrote some random name on her declaration since it is free text. The way she used to call me is different from my passport name.)On your BC there is a number on the right hand top corner.
Oh, so you think if I wait until 50 years old I will have higher chance of renouncing? I mean I don't really care, but now I am really paranoid about my plane getting diverted to Singapore due to emergency. I guess I won't fly from HKG to Perth any more, LOL. My mum's family (who are the only ties to Singapore) have all left and moved to Brisbane anyway.Moreover you are only 23, if you apply to renounce, you might have to serve NS then you are allowed to renounce. Whatever grounds you mitigate may not be accepted by MINDEF
Though I normally got it right 95%.
OK thanks. Can you clarify this statement? Who is SG embassy going to share information with and what are the consequences?Mad Scientist wrote:Do not do it at the Embassy as alot of infos are being shared around with other countries.
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