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Miami building collasped

Post by abbby » Tue, 29 Jun 2021 11:02 am

How could it even happen? Not certified safe..? No checks?

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 29 Jun 2021 11:27 am

Even if certified safe, if you are in certain parts of Florida (in other words virtually the whole state). You are always subject to the odd sink hold showing up under your property and watching the whole things literally slide into the hole. Apparently the building was sinking already. so there may well be limestone formations deep under the property. (limestone dissolves in water with the passage of time, creating voids which eventually create sinkholes that swallow up whatever is above it.
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Post by abbby » Tue, 29 Jun 2021 11:34 am

That sounds scary..is the limestone formation anything to do with the building close to the sea?
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Post by Myasis Dragon » Tue, 29 Jun 2021 11:47 am

This building was not certified safe. In fact, it was inspected in 2018 and found to have significant damage caused by saltwater and rising sea levels to cause the engineer to say that it needed immediate repairs to avoid a potential catastrophe.

Repairs were not made, partially because of the pandemic, and partially because they were extremely expensive, requiring more than an $80,000 assessment against each owner. Needless to say, there was pushback.

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Post by abbby » Tue, 29 Jun 2021 12:33 pm

Oh dear...and residents didn't do anything about it too? Either cough up the money or move...seems like a hazardous place to live in. I think authorities did nothing to it too..
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Post by PNGMK » Tue, 29 Jun 2021 12:59 pm

This is partly why I am ok with Singapore'e enbloc system.
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Post by abbby » Tue, 29 Jun 2021 1:23 pm

Agree..enbloc is sometimes just the way to go for old buildings no amount of repairs can restore its structural
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Post by Jgrif96229 » Tue, 29 Jun 2021 6:59 pm

Rebar + near the ocean and a waterway + 40 years old adds up to an expensive unit owner asessments.
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Post by Lisafuller » Tue, 29 Jun 2021 8:22 pm

abbby wrote:
Tue, 29 Jun 2021 1:23 pm
Agree..enbloc is sometimes just the way to go for old buildings no amount of repairs can restore its structural
Exactly.

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Post by Lisafuller » Tue, 29 Jun 2021 8:23 pm

abbby wrote:
Tue, 29 Jun 2021 12:33 pm
Oh dear...and residents didn't do anything about it too? Either cough up the money or move...seems like a hazardous place to live in. I think authorities did nothing to it too..
They just ignored the problem, unfortunately this was to their detriment.

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Post by Lisafuller » Tue, 29 Jun 2021 8:24 pm

Myasis Dragon wrote:
Tue, 29 Jun 2021 11:47 am
This building was not certified safe. In fact, it was inspected in 2018 and found to have significant damage caused by saltwater and rising sea levels to cause the engineer to say that it needed immediate repairs to avoid a potential catastrophe.

Repairs were not made, partially because of the pandemic, and partially because they were extremely expensive, requiring more than an $80,000 assessment against each owner. Needless to say, there was pushback.
This is the case for plenty of buildings in Miami, unfortunately.

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Re: Miami building collasped

Post by Myasis Dragon » Tue, 29 Jun 2021 11:08 pm

abbby wrote:
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Oh dear...and residents didn't do anything about it too? Either cough up the money or move...seems like a hazardous place to live in. I think authorities did nothing to it too..
It is an owner occupied building and it is the condo owners association that controls all the finances. This building regularly had ankle deep to two foot deep seawater in its basement parking garage, caused by limestone seepage and high tides, that had to be pumped out.

Miami-Dade County has required inspections of buildings over 40 years old ever since an FBI building on the beach in central Miami collapsed due to saltwater corrosion. But Surfside to the north has no such requirement and inspections are voluntary on the part of the owners.

That is very likely to change in the very near future as everyone living in a high rise is shitting little green apples, wondering if their building is going to be next. If you're a structural engineer, you can go make a killing inspecting buildings up and down the coast.

Because this is a real problem up and down the coast, as global warming has already raised average sea levels by 8 inches, and it is predicted to add 17 more inches by 2040. Cities are building seawalls but as SMS pointed out, the whole area is built on porous limestone and no one knows how to stop the seepage. Already streets flood regularly from seepage, and sewer lines have to have valves installed to prevent backups into houses.

Maybe this will be a wakeup call for Florida's hard right, trump sucking governor, who doesn't believe in global warming and has previously prevented state agencies from using the term in government publications.

Of course, these high rises cost millions per condo, and all these people living in these high rises have lots of money to buy them, and they are the ones that vote republikkklan. The tragedy is unfortunate and it is karma in spades.

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Re: Miami building collasped

Post by PNGMK » Wed, 30 Jun 2021 7:07 am

I agree this is the fault of poor governance (regardless of the party affiliation). Of course the dumbasses are saying it was sabotage.
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Post by Lisafuller » Wed, 30 Jun 2021 3:07 pm

PNGMK wrote:
Wed, 30 Jun 2021 7:07 am
I agree this is the fault of poor governance (regardless of the party affiliation). Of course the dumbasses are saying it was sabotage.
Definitely not sabotage, don’t see how anyone could possibly think that.

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Re: Miami building collasped

Post by PNGMK » Wed, 30 Jun 2021 3:12 pm

Desantis is horrible
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