Re-Enter Singapore after A2A

[Eklaber]

Hi, everyone!

Please provide with the information you know regarding my concern.

My brother (Filipino) came to Singapore as tourist to look for a job in 2012. He wasn't very lucky to get one that time.
Before his social visit expired, he went out to Malaysia and tried to re-enter Singapore. However, he was denied to enter. He was questioned in the immigration. Officers found out that he was looking for a job through his phone conversations. He was denied to enter and has sent back to Malaysia (airport to airport). His passport has been stamped and he was asked for a finger print. There was no clear instructions when can he return to visit Singapore again. He was only told that he cannot enter Singapore for the "mean time".

Now, questions are:
-How long does this "mean time"? Can he already visit Singapore now?
-He has renewed his passport. Will the immigration still have his record?
-For the arrival card, should he tick Yes or No for the question: Have you been prohibited to enter Singapore? If Yes, what will be the consequences for him?

Thank you so much!

[singaporeflyer]

Hi, everyone!


-He has renewed his passport. Will the immigration still have his record?
- Immigration department keeps track of all the old passport details also.
-For the arrival card, should he tick Yes or No for the question: Have you been prohibited to enter Singapore? If Yes, what will be the consequences for him?
- He should tick Yes.

[x9200]

Hi, everyone!

Please provide with the information you know regarding my concern.

My brother (Filipino) came to Singapore as tourist to look for a job in 2012. He wasn't very lucky to get one that time.
Before his social visit expired, he went out to Malaysia and tried to re-enter Singapore. However, he was denied to enter. He was questioned in the immigration. Officers found out that he was looking for a job through his phone conversations.

Looking for a job while on tourist visa is not prohibited in Singapore.

[Eklaber]

Hi, everyone!


-He has renewed his passport. Will the immigration still have his record?
- Immigration department keeps track of all the old passport details also.
-For the arrival card, should he tick Yes or No for the question: Have you been prohibited to enter Singapore? If Yes, what will be the consequences for him?
- He should tick Yes.

Hi, @singaporeflyer! Thank you for the heads up! I have also read that someone ticked Yes and managed to enter Singapore as usual.

[ecureilx]

Hi, everyone!

Please provide with the information you know regarding my concern.

My brother (Filipino) came to Singapore as tourist to look for a job in 2012. He wasn't very lucky to get one that time.
Before his social visit expired, he went out to Malaysia and tried to re-enter Singapore. However, he was denied to enter. He was questioned in the immigration. Officers found out that he was looking for a job through his phone conversations. He was denied to enter and has sent back to Malaysia (airport to airport). His passport has been stamped and he was asked for a finger print. There was no clear instructions when can he return to visit Singapore again. He was only told that he cannot enter Singapore for the "mean time".

Now, questions are:
-How long does this "mean time"? Can he already visit Singapore now?
-He has renewed his passport. Will the immigration still have his record?
-For the arrival card, should he tick Yes or No for the question: Have you been prohibited to enter Singapore? If Yes, what will be the consequences for him?

Thank you so much!

If he comes back after a reasonable amount of time, say 6 months, with a valid return ticket, he shouldn't have trouble.

However, was he given A2A on his first after how long of stay in Singapore / visa run to Malaysia visit ?

He may have bigger trouble navigating the ruthless BI.

[Eklaber]

Hi, everyone!

Please provide with the information you know regarding my concern.

My brother (Filipino) came to Singapore as tourist to look for a job in 2012. He wasn't very lucky to get one that time.
Before his social visit expired, he went out to Malaysia and tried to re-enter Singapore. However, he was denied to enter. He was questioned in the immigration. Officers found out that he was looking for a job through his phone conversations. He was denied to enter and has sent back to Malaysia (airport to airport). His passport has been stamped and he was asked for a finger print. There was no clear instructions when can he return to visit Singapore again. He was only told that he cannot enter Singapore for the "mean time".

Now, questions are:
-How long does this "mean time"? Can he already visit Singapore now?
-He has renewed his passport. Will the immigration still have his record?
-For the arrival card, should he tick Yes or No for the question: Have you been prohibited to enter Singapore? If Yes, what will be the consequences for him?

Thank you so much!

If he comes back after a reasonable amount of time, say 6 months, with a valid return ticket, he shouldn't have trouble.

However, was he given A2A on his first after how long of stay in Singapore / visa run to Malaysia visit ?

He may have bigger trouble navigating the ruthless BI.

Hi. Thank you for your time to respond. He is planning to return to visit me on April 2017. 5 years after his A2A. His stamp on his passport was W "Suspect UTurn". Do you know what does it mean? However, he has renewed his passport already.

He arrived Singapore on 3 March and got an extension online. He went to Malaysia on 26 April before his social visit extension has expired, for an overnight stay and has returned to Singapore.

[ecureilx]

Hi. Thank you for your time to respone. He is only planning to return to visit me on April 2017. 5 years after his A2A. His stamp on his passport was W "Suspect UTurn". Do you what does it mean? However, he has renewed his passport already.

He stayed in Singapore for less than month. Before his social visit has expired, he has left to Malaysia for an overnight stay and has returned to Singapore.

he should declare his past refusal and without going all over the place describe what happened, visited Singapore, went to Malaysia and was refused entry.

And a letter from you confirming your relationship will help (don't bother with embassy letter of invite - that's only to pass BI, though often BI ignores that letter, the same letter that earned $ to the Embassy... )
Btw, which entry point was he refused entry ?

Suspect U turn is what it is - your brother did a U turn in Malaysia - instead of spending a few days in Malaysia, if he was a genuine visitor to Malaysia.

[Eklaber]

Hi. Thank you for your time to respone. He is only planning to return to visit me on April 2017. 5 years after his A2A. His stamp on his passport was W "Suspect UTurn". Do you what does it mean? However, he has renewed his passport already.

He stayed in Singapore for less than month. Before his social visit has expired, he has left to Malaysia for an overnight stay and has returned to Singapore.

he should declare his past refusal and without going all over the place describe what happened, visited Singapore, went to Malaysia and was refused entry.

And a letter from you confirming your relationship will help (don't bother with embassy letter of invite - that's only to pass BI, though often BI ignores that letter, the same letter that earned $ to the Embassy... )
Btw, which entry point was he refused entry ?

Suspect U turn is what it is - your brother did a U turn in Malaysia - instead of spending a few days in Malaysia, if he was a genuine visitor to Malaysia.

Thanks again for this.

Is the letter to present to immigration for his entry? I am not familiar with this. How does it work and how should the letter go?

He went out to JB with a cousin. When they're about to return, he was refused to enter.

[ecureilx]

Thanks again for this.

Is the letter to present to immigration for his entry? I am not familiar with this. How does it work and how should the letter go?

He went out to JB with a cousin. When they're about to return, he was refused to enter.

just write a letter stating he is your sibling and you are inviting him to Singapore to visit you.

Yeah, a prompt return is U turn.

[JianeNicole]

Hi, everyone!

Please provide with the information you know regarding my concern.

My brother (Filipino) came to Singapore as tourist to look for a job in 2012. He wasn't very lucky to get one that time.
Before his social visit expired, he went out to Malaysia and tried to re-enter Singapore. However, he was denied to enter. He was questioned in the immigration. Officers found out that he was looking for a job through his phone conversations. He was denied to enter and has sent back to Malaysia (airport to airport). His passport has been stamped and he was asked for a finger print. There was no clear instructions when can he return to visit Singapore again. He was only told that he cannot enter Singapore for the "mean time".

Now, questions are:
-How long does this "mean time"? Can he already visit Singapore now?
-He has renewed his passport. Will the immigration still have his record?
-For the arrival card, should he tick Yes or No for the question: Have you been prohibited to enter Singapore? If Yes, what will be the consequences for him?

Thank you so much!

Was he able to go back? Did u have to submit a reentry permit?

[sundaymorningstaple]

@JianeNicole

Back in those days, when a Social Visit Pass (30 days usually if from ASEAN) and a whole lot more of us back before the change of the millennium-was quite a normal happening. JB or Batam for a day. Didn't take too long for ICA to find out. So they whacked the biggest abusers (citizens from the neighbouring ASEAN countries. Often those were also illegal workers here and with their SVP ran out they would try to do a "turn around". There were another group, which is why I asked (and please take no offense as I don't know you from Adam or Eve. But I've been here for 42 years of which 29 of them have been as a PR so 11 of the first 13 years I was here I was on a Social Visit Pass (but I was lucky - I worked in the offshore drilling industry - I worked a 2 month on 1 month off rotation so I only came here for 4 weeks out of every quarter. Lots of guys got stuck and had to do visa runs to Batam or Johor (normally JB so you didn't have to pay for the ferry and in those days you could actually walk across the causeway into JB. Anyway, they cracked down on all that.

Back to what I was getting at before my ramble. It's was primarily the ASEAN girls/women who created their own problems as they found they could come here a tourists and ended hooking on the streets, Geylang, or in the infamous Orchard Towers (which was finally shuts down of all the bars catering to the ladies of the evening. Filipinos were the biggest abusers of this as they were more desirable to the international expats here as they all spoke understandable, if not, excellent English so they were able to engage in the evening nightclubs easily. There used to be a big business in Manila that was known as the place to go to get a new passport & identity card (for used in other countries like Singapore were there is a wealth tourist trade or Expat community. The result is that virtually any "'Single" female from the 'peens coming here, leaving and then returning is automatically assumed to be a lady of the evening as they cannot afford, generally speaking, to keep visiting Singapore (expensive) unless they have some way of making money. I know what I want to be when I'm reincarnated (and it ain't that far away - I'll be 77 in a couple of weeks).- I'm a Yank, but I've been here for 42 years now.

How long? The safest bet is a year but I don't know what the real numbers are as ICA keeps their cards very close to their chests. We look for anecdotal stories and when we see enough of them we get an idea. (For instance, I've been on this forum for what will be 20 years in November).

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[malcontent]

When I first arrived here in 1996, it was to be reunited with my SO who I had been with since 1992 in the U.S.. I got a 30 day SVP initially, and my SO (who was a PR here) sponsored my extensions. At the time, the maximum was 2 extensions, for a maximum 90 days in SG. Since I didn’t have a job quite yet at the 90 day mark, we tried another extension and got lucky. That extra month was enough to get a job and once my EP application was in motion, I continued to get extensions. I never left Singapore throughout the whole process, my return flight expired after 6 months and I had no means to return to the U.S. at that point. It took a total of 5 months to get my EP after getting rejected twice. By the end I had also exhausted the entire $5k savings and was borrowing money from my SO to survive. Thinking back, I was really living on a wing and a prayer… but somehow managed to get through it all, and today I’m still here.

The reason I share my story is because I believe that staying in Singapore and having a Citizen or PR sponsor extensions is a far better strategy. Doing a border run is playing with fire.