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msabd1
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 Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:14 pm Post subject: Police Warning and PR Applicaiton |
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I was caught by police officers who acts as if they are waiting for me outside my office , as soon as I stepped out of my office they checked my belongings. Three sticks of cigarettes ( duty unpaid) was given to me by my ex-classmate and I was caught with it. However I was let off with a warning.
When I asked them will it go into their records, they said yes but its nothing to worry about as it is just a "warning record" and not a criminal record.
I am worried since I know that ICA do run background checks for PR Applications and I am afraid this will have serious implications on me no matter what assurance the police gave me.
And for your information it is a MRT police and not a normal policeman. and they seem like they are serving their national service they look so young.
My question is does anyone of you have similar experience ( police warning) and managed to get PR?
Or should I just move on and move to another country?
I see no point staying here if I am never gonna become a PR.
Please advice and thank you so much in advance! |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: Police Warning and PR Applicaiton |
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| msabd1 wrote: | I was caught by police officers who acts as if they are waiting for me outside my office , as soon as I stepped out of my office they checked my belongings. Three sticks of cigarettes ( duty unpaid) was given to me by my ex-classmate and I was caught with it. However I was let off with a warning.
When I asked them will it go into their records, they said yes but its nothing to worry about as it is just a "warning record" and not a criminal record.
I am worried since I know that ICA do run background checks for PR Applications and I am afraid this will have serious implications on me no matter what assurance the police gave me.
And for your information it is a MRT police and not a normal policeman. and they seem like they are serving their national service they look so young.
My question is does anyone of you have similar experience ( police warning) and managed to get PR?
Or should I just move on and move to another country?
I see no point staying here if I am never gonna become a PR.
Please advice and thank you so much in advance! |
Three "sticks" of cigarettes? Are those individual cigarettes? or a carton?
(And how do they know duty was unpaid?)
Either way, you probably looked like an undesirable and wouldn't have gotten a PR anyway. I suspect the police don't harrass those that fit MOM's flavor of the year profile. Sorry bud. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:47 pm Post subject: Re: Police Warning and PR Applicaiton |
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| zzm9980 wrote: | | msabd1 wrote: | I was caught by police officers who acts as if they are waiting for me outside my office , as soon as I stepped out of my office they checked my belongings. Three sticks of cigarettes ( duty unpaid) was given to me by my ex-classmate and I was caught with it. However I was let off with a warning.
When I asked them will it go into their records, they said yes but its nothing to worry about as it is just a "warning record" and not a criminal record.
I am worried since I know that ICA do run background checks for PR Applications and I am afraid this will have serious implications on me no matter what assurance the police gave me.
And for your information it is a MRT police and not a normal policeman. and they seem like they are serving their national service they look so young.
My question is does anyone of you have similar experience ( police warning) and managed to get PR?
Or should I just move on and move to another country?
I see no point staying here if I am never gonna become a PR.
Please advice and thank you so much in advance! |
Three "sticks" of cigarettes? Are those individual cigarettes? or a carton?
(And how do they know duty was unpaid?)
Either way, you probably looked like an undesirable and wouldn't have gotten a PR anyway. I suspect the police don't harrass those that fit MOM's flavor of the year profile. Sorry bud. |
For the record, all cigarettes in Singapore have SDPC on each cigarette just above the filter.....
http://singapore-the-fine-city.blogspot.com/2009/04/didnt-smoke-sdpc-marked-cigarettes.html
| Quote: | | Besides a must law for health warning labels on cigarettes package, Singapore implemented yet another new law, passed down on 1st January 2009. Each individual stick of cigarette will be marked with "SDPC", which is short form for Singapore Duty Paid Cigarettes. Anyone who is caught in possession, buying or selling cigarettes without SDPC mark will be deem as committing an offence under Singapore's Customs and GST Acts. |
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msabd1
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Well I guess what caught their attention was I was wearing casual clothes ( i changed after work) and it was three sticks that my friend passed to me. Hmm if anyone has experience do post your answers and meanwhile i shall start packing my bags before my contract ends. Thanks for the replies anyway  |
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| msabd1 wrote: | | Well I guess what caught their attention was I was wearing casual clothes ( i changed after work) and it was three sticks that my friend passed to me. Hmm if anyone has experience do post your answers and meanwhile i shall start packing my bags before my contract ends. Thanks for the replies anyway |
Don't worry about it just apply. You do not know if you didn't apply
Ok you screw up on one sh*t but that is not the end of your life here.
I see nothing major. Relax
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msabd1
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Thanks for the reply Mad Scientist. Finally some optimistic view. I got friends who are police and 80% told me not to worry but I am quite negative thinking to be honest. I dunno where else I can move since I feel so at home here already. And the sad part is those cigarettes are given to me and not as if I smuggled them.
Anymore feedbacks are greatly appreciated have a good weekend everyone |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| msabd1 wrote: | Thanks for the reply Mad Scientist. Finally some optimistic view. I got friends who are police and 80% told me not to worry but I am quite negative thinking to be honest. I dunno where else I can move since I feel so at home here already. And the sad part is those cigarettes are given to me and not as if I smuggled them.
Anymore feedbacks are greatly appreciated have a good weekend everyone |
well, how did you come up with this 80% probability thing ??
Anyway, whether you smuggled them, or picked them up from the street, or found them or a friend gave it .. the law is straightforward.
you were in possession of duty unpaid cigerettes ..
Same like having drugs but saying you didn't smuggle them or buy them ..
Hence, for me, as an occasional smoker, when somebody offers me a cigerette, if the packs doesn't have the warning sign, I plainly refuse with excuses like "don't like that brand" or .. "I only smoke x brand .. " ..
because one too many times, I have seen friends being pulled aside and checked for duty unpaid smokes, and with the new rule that every stick must have the label, when I see guys pulling cigerettes from cigerette cases, rather than risking a fine or more, i just refuse
Oh, MS is right ... and if your crime was as serious as you are worrying, you will be Changi or Kaki Bukit ... !!! and Not posting on this forum ..
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| What I mean by the 80% thing is majority of my friends who are policemen said it wont affect my PR application but still I am worried after the incident whether it is still worth investing on my future here |
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The only thing wrong with the 80% figure is the fact that the police have absolutely nothing to do with ICA. But ICA can access the Police database to check for behaviour that may not be becoming to a new citizen/PR. Again, it's all a matter of degree. And this degree thing is what the gahmen like to keep close to their collective chests. They can turn up or turn down the temperature as they wish, depending on the wishes of their overlords.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:22 am Post subject: Re: Police Warning and PR Applicaiton |
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| zzm9980 wrote: | | Three "sticks" of cigarettes? Are those individual cigarettes? or a carton? |
Seems a bit strange to write "three sticks of cigarettes" instead of just "three cigarettes," so I'm still wondering what the OP meant.
Three cartons would surely not have been treated just as a warning though, right? |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:28 am Post subject: Re: Police Warning and PR Applicaiton |
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| aster wrote: | | zzm9980 wrote: | | Three "sticks" of cigarettes? Are those individual cigarettes? or a carton? |
Seems a bit strange to write "three sticks of cigarettes" instead of just "three cigarettes," so I'm still wondering what the OP meant.
Three cartons would surely not have been treated just as a warning though, right? |
This is what the locals call them, in their fumbling and inarticulate patois.
3 'sticks' = 3 cigarettes |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:11 am Post subject: Re: Police Warning and PR Applicaiton |
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| JR8 wrote: | | aster wrote: | | zzm9980 wrote: | | Three "sticks" of cigarettes? Are those individual cigarettes? or a carton? |
Seems a bit strange to write "three sticks of cigarettes" instead of just "three cigarettes," so I'm still wondering what the OP meant.
Three cartons would surely not have been treated just as a warning though, right? |
This is what the locals call them, in their fumbling and inarticulate patois.
3 'sticks' = 3 cigarettes |
And the outsourced teams doing checking don't differentiate between 1 stick and one box or one carton .. all get fined !!!!
Oh, they removed the 'escape' clause, when coming in from Malaysia via land check point, where they ignored if you have on box, as long as it was opened. Now even one box or less gets confiscated ..
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:10 am Post subject: Re: Police Warning and PR Applicaiton |
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| ecureilx wrote: | | Oh, they removed the 'escape' clause, when coming in from Malaysia via land check point, where they ignored if you have on box, as long as it was opened. Now even one box or less gets confiscated .. |
Does the ok for an open pack still apply to tourists coming in by plane? I don't smoke, but I recall hearing about how this is ok.
On a side note, they will wave you through if you have an open pack of chewing gum. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:28 am Post subject: Re: Police Warning and PR Applicaiton |
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| aster wrote: | | ecureilx wrote: | | Oh, they removed the 'escape' clause, when coming in from Malaysia via land check point, where they ignored if you have on box, as long as it was opened. Now even one box or less gets confiscated .. |
Does the ok for an open pack still apply to tourists coming in by plane? I don't smoke, but I recall hearing about how this is ok.
On a side note, they will wave you through if you have an open pack of chewing gum. |
aucun - for those coming by plane too .. and a few guys slipping through the customs don't mean it is legal !!!
And one too many times I have seen cartons being junked into the bin at customs..
And also there is a reason why they don't sell cigarettes at the Duty Free, beyond the Immigration area ..
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I've seen people showing an open pack and being waved through after stating that they don't have any more cigarettes, though this was a couple of years ago.
I was about to hand over a half-empty pack of chewing gum and was also told it's ok. |
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| aster wrote: | I've seen people showing an open pack and being waved through after stating that they don't have any more cigarettes, though this was a couple of years ago.
I was about to hand over a half-empty pack of chewing gum and was also told it's ok. |
those days, the locally sold cigarettes didn't have the SDPC stamp on each and every cigarette .. unlike now .. and was tougher for Customs to control, as you can always re-use a local empty pack to refill with cheap smokes .. as did some smart guys used to do, using cigarette cases to fill the smokes .. and dump the implicating 'foreign' pack
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I'm all for barring all cigarette imports. You want to smoke here, pay the local prices.
I also think they should introduce these "smoke chambers" for cigarette addicts that they use in some airports, and disallow smoking on the streets. |
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Agree ban the filthy dangerous smelly habit from the streets 
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| I'm going to smoke very heavily on the next gathering of eagles; just for KSL and Aster...... |
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| BillyB wrote: | | I'm going to smoke very heavily on the next gathering of eagles; just for KSL and Aster...... |
I used to step away from people, when I light up .. especially after a Tiger .. now I am having second thoughts though 
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| ecureilx wrote: | | BillyB wrote: | | I'm going to smoke very heavily on the next gathering of eagles; just for KSL and Aster...... |
I used to step away from people, when I light up .. especially after a Tiger .. now I am having second thoughts though |
Nut nut has an arrangement with the owner, so we are allowed to smoke inside the restaurant! |
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| BillyB wrote: | | ecureilx wrote: | | BillyB wrote: | | I'm going to smoke very heavily on the next gathering of eagles; just for KSL and Aster...... |
I used to step away from people, when I light up .. especially after a Tiger .. now I am having second thoughts though |
Nut nut has an arrangement with the owner, so we are allowed to smoke inside the restaurant! |
I smoked for 30 years so it doesn't really worry me  Just thought i would stir the pot with my wooden spoon
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| nakatago wrote: | | BillyB wrote: | | I'm going to smoke very heavily on the next gathering of eagles; just for KSL and Aster...... |
Would you wear an Asian conical hat while you're at it? |
Does it help with not stopping smoking? |
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| nakatago wrote: | | BillyB wrote: | | I'm going to smoke very heavily on the next gathering of eagles; just for KSL and Aster...... |
Would you wear an Asian conical hat while you're at it? |
I don't get it. What has the conical hat got to do with smoking? 
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With a big enough brim, it will collect all the smoke and keep it on your face.
...or it catches fire and hopefully imprint a shocking enough memory to be associated with smoking.
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| nakatago wrote: | With a big enough brim, it will collect all the smoke and keep it on your face.
...or it catches fire and hopefully imprint a shocking enough memory to be associated with smoking. |
Reminds me of a scene from police academy 5...... |
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| @ msabd1 .Dont worry.it doesnt have anything you getting a PR or not as you have been warned n not "fined" . If u were fined, then your so called merit points with the government will be lower as u will be having a record with them. |
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