Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:26 pm Post subject: EP pass plz help
hello all
i'm an indian IT graduate with 4 yrs of IT experience..i came across an Agent who advertised in Indian Newspaper about Singapore EP pass..i started process for EP pass..i've read everything about EP on www.mom.gov.sg website..
but i wanna know where i can check my visa ..coz my agent is applying manually..and can anyone please tell me how to verify the visa if i get selected??
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:13 am Post subject: at saint
no i've not paid this agent ..i want to make sure first and the i wil pay him..agent is my family friend..i wil pay him after verifying my visa..can u plz help me??
Don't hold your breath. He's gonna milk you dry. Only an employer can be your sponsor and apply for your visa. EPECs don't exist any longer and neither do LPRs. So, unless you friend is going to be your employer, Caveat emptor. "Let the buyer beware" _________________ . . . .Click here for >>> Helpful Links and Resources For Expats in Singapore
So you "came across an Agent who advertised in Indian Newspaper" and they turned out to be a family friend, is that how it went? TBH this all sounds a bit dubious to me. The key point, as SMS says, is that the prospective employer has to apply for an EP (Employment Pass) once you've convinced them to employ you - an agent can't apply for an EP. Or are you working for the 'agent'? Something's wrong with this picture as currently painted. _________________ Yes I have no Masters
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:49 pm Post subject: at sms and amigo
guys i have not paid him money..i have my interview scheduled next week and the agent is asking me around 2 lac after getting the visa. is EP exist or removed??? i have checked on the mom.gov.sg, it has some new rules for EP..and the company in singapore is applying for my visa?...i just want to know how can i verify my visa after getting all the details??
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: at sms and amigo
as it's clearly stated by the previous responses, get your interview sorted out and if you successfully land a job offer, the employer will apply for the EP for you. this agent where ever you found him from can NOT apply for the EP for you and if you want to check the status of your EP, you can always (after you have signed your offer letter and your prospective employer has initiated the EP application) go the MOM website and drop them an email by giving them your passport #. MOM will revert in less than 48 hours.
steve_kilo wrote:
guys i have not paid him money..i have my interview scheduled next week and the agent is asking me around 2 lac after getting the visa. is EP exist or removed??? i have checked on the mom.gov.sg, it has some new rules for EP..and the company in singapore is applying for my visa?...i just want to know how can i verify my visa after getting all the details??
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: at sms and amigo
steve_kilo wrote:
guys i have not paid him money..i have my interview scheduled next week and the agent is asking me around 2 lac after getting the visa. is EP exist or removed???
Singapore got EP lah...
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2 lakh Indian rupees = 5 081.63862 Singapore dollars
I think you should try this process out and let us know how it goes. Please also keep us up to date.
at sweetgazebo: yes i will check my visa status from the MOM officials..i wanted to know whether EP still exists or not?
i have checked the new rules in MOM website, its stated that the minimum salary for EP visa has been increased to 3000SGD from 2800, and if i get selected the company will provide me visa, the agent is only cashing on his comission.will there be any kind of cheating in visa after getting it verified??
at zzm9980: are u sure that i should go ahead for this? and could u tel me the meaning of this "singapore got EP Lah"???
JR8:(no growth here in my position,its night shift job and i couldn't find a day shift one,so i planned to move abroad) and agent is good .he has a licence for govt here in INDIA, and he is a well known consultant here in MUMBAI, INDIA. i just wanna make sure he gives me correct visa , first i will verify the visa and then i will pay him.
i just need your help guys,i will post all my visa details and company details once i get the visa copy...
Ah, so this is not just an agent purporting to get you a visa. Rather, it is an agent who says they will get you the job in SG, plus the visa on the back of that?
Yes, EP (Employment Pass) still exists, but that can only be applied for in relation to a specific job that a specific employer has decided they want to offer you. Perhaps what you are actually looking for is an EPEC (Employment Pass Eligibility Certificate)? Those are NOT being issued any more. If you'd really "read everything" on the MOM site then this information should have been clear to you already.
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JR8:(no growth here in my position,its night shift job and i couldn't find a day shift one,so i planned to move abroad) and agent is good .he has a licence for govt here in INDIA, and he is a well known consultant here in MUMBAI, INDIA. i just wanna make sure he gives me correct visa , first i will verify the visa and then i will pay him.
That's all fine and dandy, but he can't just "give" you a visa - an agent can't actually apply for an EP; the employer has to do that. Maybe they can assist with the process, but since he's based in India and not Singapore, how familiar is he with the processes that apply here, and how much help can he really give from so far away?
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i just need your help guys,i will post all my visa details and company details once i get the visa copy...
We're trying to help you, but you're weaving a web of intrigue and not providing the core information we need to assist you properly. So shall we try again?
- What kind of 'visa' are you actually trying to secure? EP? S-Pass? EPEC (not possible any more)?...
- Do you have a potential job / employer lined up, or are you just trying to get to Singapore in order to look for a job?
- where is the interview that you have "scheduled next week"? And who is the interview with? A prospective employer or the 'agent'? _________________ Yes I have no Masters
If you get an offer of employment in Singapore the employer will apply for your EP, visa. There's even no need to have the agent in the picture (if you say below the agent is cashing on his commission) because if the employer is applying for your EP (and assuming the employer is using an agent to apply for the EP on their behalf for you) the employer pays for everything. You don't even need to foot out a cent. If you are going to have to pay 2 laks I would strongly suggest you think twice before parting with that kind of cash coz that kind of cash can get you a decent HDB 2-room unit for a 2 month's rent in Singapore, if you land over here to work.
steve_kilo wrote:
at sweetgazebo: yes i will check my visa status from the MOM officials..i wanted to know whether EP still exists or not?
i have checked the new rules in MOM website, its stated that the minimum salary for EP visa has been increased to 3000SGD from 2800, and if i get selected the company will provide me visa, the agent is only cashing on his comission.will there be any kind of cheating in visa after getting it verified??
i just wanna make sure he gives me correct visa , first i will verify the visa and then i will pay him.
at mi amigo: here in india all consultants have tie-up with foreign consultants..and they only give us job description and then later on after clearing the interview they give us all the detials of the employer.
i will provide the core info after clearing the interview, i'm actually looking to get EP or S pass,so that i can enter singapore with WORK VISA.
i dont want to enter singapore for seeking job..
heres the step by step process
1) the agent has already send my CV to his main agent in singapore
2)next week my interview is scheduled and its online(through skype).
if i clear the interview, the company will process for EP or S pass.
3) the agent gets the original visa and give me the detials and ask me the said amount.
and i will give him money after verifying visa and company details from you and few of my friends based there in singapore.
@sweetgazebo: sir, as i said above. here all agents want their comission(their share) and here we cannot find any job (local or international)without paying..thanks for the info..but i will pay him after verifying visa from MOM website, all of you guys here and few of my friends based in singapore.
let me clear the interview and then i wil give u all the details about interviewer ...
one more request: can anyone give me a link ,where i can find the details of living expenses in singapore..
Well, just so you're aware, each different visa has income requirements.
If he is willing to get you a job that pays enough to get you one of those visas, honestly it might be worth it. It's not popular to say, but if I was in a shitty situation in India, I'd sure as hell pay to get out.
One thing they might try to do to you is tell you you will make say 2800/month, but will immediately need to pay them back $1000 (or some other amount) OR they will force you to stay in their company dorms for $1000 a month. Just so you know, that is ILLEGAL. They're doing that only so they can pay you less than what the government requires them to pay you for the visa you got. If the government figures it out,you'll get kicked out and they'll be in trouble. Just an FYI.
A good starting point for you can be Contact Singapore ... just google these 2 words and there will be several links that will take you to this portal which has a lot of information and guidelines as to living in Singapore.
steve_kilo wrote:
one more request: can anyone give me a link ,where i can find the details of living expenses in singapore..
at zzm9980:dude thats what i wanted to know..i was in QATAR for the past 3months.i was on business visit and i got offer from an IT company..i worked with them around 2 months and the end they asked to find other job ..at the last moment i had to make an exit.(coz they cant provide me visa in Indian category)..thats the main reason i'm looking to work in singapore.coz there is not scope of IT in gulf. what if the employer gives me less amount or deducts something from my salary..can i sue the employer ?? or will i trouble.(wil the govt kick me out of singapore ???)..
Steve_Kilo: I think I know the type of agents you are talking about. It must must be someone like Y-Axis, Canam types isn't it?
They "assist" in the visa/pr application process and charge a fee for it and they do it for many countries and not just Singapore.
Even though the agent may be genuine, why do you have to pay to get a job? Unless your skills are not good enough that you cant get a job on the basis of merit. In which case you wont last here too long anyways.
One thing about Singapore, is that most of the IT jobs are done by foreigners and employers here are very well versed with recruiting from overseas especially India, directly without any agent.
Have you done a quick search in Naukri.com or any jobsite to see if there are jobs from Singapore?
Either your employer does know that this agent is taking money from you, if your employer does know and still ok with it, they are a cheap employer and I would stay away from them _________________ Bila di situ ada kemauan disitu ada lebuhraya!
Steve_Kilo: I think I know the type of agents you are talking about. It must must be someone like Y-Axis, Canam types isn't it?
They "assist" in the visa/pr application process and charge a fee for it and they do it for many countries and not just Singapore.
Even though the agent may be genuine, why do you have to pay to get a job? Unless your skills are not good enough that you cant get a job on the basis of merit. In which case you wont last here too long anyways.
One thing about Singapore, is that most of the IT jobs are done by foreigners and employers here are very well versed with recruiting from overseas especially India, directly without any agent.
Have you done a quick search in Naukri.com or any jobsite to see if there are jobs from Singapore?
Either your employer does know that this agent is taking money from you, if your employer does know and still ok with it, they are a cheap employer and I would stay away from them
dude i'm confident that i will get job but there is no other way around to get a job..i must pay this agent or any other..i've checked with naukri and other website..they have job but they dont consider indian exp..and i've opted for premium service from (m.com) sorry i can't reveal the name.i guess u know the famous job consultant worldwide starting with mo letters...nywys i will try to look for more opportunites and one of our good peer here suggested me contact singapore it has huge resource of jobs and other info....thanks for the info..
Steve_Kilo: I think I know the type of agents you are talking about. It must must be someone like Y-Axis, Canam types isn't it?
They "assist" in the visa/pr application process and charge a fee for it and they do it for many countries and not just Singapore.
Even though the agent may be genuine, why do you have to pay to get a job? Unless your skills are not good enough that you cant get a job on the basis of merit. In which case you wont last here too long anyways.
One thing about Singapore, is that most of the IT jobs are done by foreigners and employers here are very well versed with recruiting from overseas especially India, directly without any agent.
Have you done a quick search in Naukri.com or any jobsite to see if there are jobs from Singapore?
Either your employer does know that this agent is taking money from you, if your employer does know and still ok with it, they are a cheap employer and I would stay away from them
dude i'm confident that i will get job but there is no other way around to get a job..i must pay this agent or any other..i've checked with naukri and other website..they have job but they dont consider indian exp..and i've opted for premium service from (m.com) sorry i can't reveal the name.i guess u know the famous job consultant worldwide starting with mo letters...nywys i will try to look for more opportunites and one of our good peer here suggested me contact singapore it has huge resource of jobs and other info....thanks for the info..
Good luck dude... pay your money... you are going to get ripped off.
A very familiar scam... set up between dishonest Indians and dishonest Singaporeans... if you actually got a job and an EP, you'd get screwed by having to pay back most of your salary each month. _________________ .The Mankind Project - Changing the world one man at a time.
at strong eagle: thanks for the info sir,,then what is the best way to work in singapore? should i visit there and find a job or should i go for some other type of visa? what if the employer provide me S pass? plz help..i wanna work in singapore..
I will never understand you indians! if you say you have an interview lined up via skype why dont you just get that interview over and done with and then wait for the job offer and then the employer to sort out your EP for you?
As with the previous responses if you have to pay thru your nose to come to Singapore then you are just going to end up like how you did back in Qatar!
steve_kilo wrote:
at strong eagle: thanks for the info sir,,then what is the best way to work in singapore? should i visit there and find a job or should i go for some other type of visa? what if the employer provide me S pass? plz help..i wanna work in singapore..
..and i've opted for premium service from (m.com) sorry i can't reveal the name.i guess u know the famous job consultant worldwide starting with mo letters...
Sorry to be harsh, but what on earth with all that secrecy!
You are looking for help. We're trying to help you (we have seen a lot of people like you getting cheated trying to look for greener pasture). Yet you're not willing to share the identity of the supposedly 'famous job consultant worldwide'. And NO, giving a hint of 'starting with mo letters' and (m.com) is not even close.
If that consultant is so famous, no point being so secretive about it, THE WHOLE WORLD would have known it right? But no, we don't know, even an inkling.
And your information given above is so conflicting. Which is which now?
Unless you straighten up and give us honest answers and info, GOOD LUCK! _________________ scratched by the lynx
Just to add to all the other people in the thread saying the same thing.
It's your choice, however, my opinion on this is:
Don't pay the bent f&%^*rs a cent, if you do, expect to be royally ripped off and either a) never enter Singapore or b) have a horrendous time when you get here!
This is not the way to get employment overseas, the best way would be to apply directly for roles in Singapore and get them based on your own merit. If you have no luck doing this, there are potentially 2 reasons.
1) You aren't right (skills/experience/etc) to be employed as foreign talent
2) The government don't want you here.
I am sorry to be harsh, but you really need to look at this very very carefully, do you want to give a comparative stranger this amount of money for a service that should be free in Singapore?
If the answer is yes, go for it, I hope you are lucky, but, don't say you weren't warned.
Oh, and the other thing, if you get an EP, YOU are the only one who can collect the original, if your employer does this, then they have done so fraudulently. MOM need to take your fingerprint before you can collect, you will only get an IPA (In principle approval) before you reach the shores. _________________ nutnut
Steve_Kilo: I think I know the type of agents you are talking about. It must must be someone like Y-Axis, Canam types isn't it?
They "assist" in the visa/pr application process and charge a fee for it and they do it for many countries and not just Singapore.
Even though the agent may be genuine, why do you have to pay to get a job? Unless your skills are not good enough that you cant get a job on the basis of merit. In which case you wont last here too long anyways.
One thing about Singapore, is that most of the IT jobs are done by foreigners and employers here are very well versed with recruiting from overseas especially India, directly without any agent.
Have you done a quick search in Naukri.com or any jobsite to see if there are jobs from Singapore?
Either your employer does know that this agent is taking money from you, if your employer does know and still ok with it, they are a cheap employer and I would stay away from them
dude i'm confident that i will get job but there is no other way around to get a job..i must pay this agent or any other..i've checked with naukri and other website..they have job but they dont consider indian exp..and i've opted for premium service from (m.com) sorry i can't reveal the name.i guess u know the famous job consultant worldwide starting with mo letters...nywys i will try to look for more opportunites and one of our good peer here suggested me contact singapore it has huge resource of jobs and other info....thanks for the info..
I seriously dont understand why you think that paying the agent is the only way to get a job. I have no idea how it works in other countries. But in Singapore, it just works like in India,
These are the step:
Employer or the consultant acting on behalf of the employer searches for resumes on job site, contacts the candidate and then interviews are conducted offers are rolls out by the employer. Remember when I say consultant its the likes of PWC doing it for large banks etc, in case of smaller companies they do it themselves.
In case of Singapore the only additional step is the employer/consulant apply for the visa at their own cost. The consultant gets paid by the employer for their service.
Your case is very out of the ordinary, its the kind of stuff that really desperate, gullible people would resort to and exactly opposite of what you think that to land a job in Singapore you need to pay an agent.
Again, saying that Indian IT experience is not considered is totally bullshit. I came here with 7 yrs of exp and got an offer of 6.5K. I know people with lesser exp similar to yours 3.5-4yrs come here for 4.5-5.5k.
I am from India working in IT and been here for 2 and 1/2 years, and interact with lots of fellow Indian IT compatriots and spend a lot of time on forums like these. So there is some credibility in my advice, its upto you to take it or leave it.
Cheers and all the best in whatever you choose to do! _________________ Bila di situ ada kemauan disitu ada lebuhraya!
..and i've opted for premium service from (m.com) sorry i can't reveal the name.i guess u know the famous job consultant worldwide starting with mo letters...
Sorry to be harsh, but what on earth with all that secrecy!
You are looking for help. We're trying to help you (we have seen a lot of people like you getting cheated trying to look for greener pasture). Yet you're not willing to share the identity of the supposedly 'famous job consultant worldwide'. And NO, giving a hint of 'starting with mo letters' and (m.com) is not even close.
I think you misunderstood his post. The premium service he availed is from a jobsite mo.com is monster.com .
He hasn't divulged any clues about the agent yet. _________________ Bila di situ ada kemauan disitu ada lebuhraya!
@ revhappy, it's good to see your posts; I was starting to wonder whether the scheme being described by the OP was the 'norm' in India. Glad to hear that it is not, although I'm sure this kind of unscrupulous behaviour goes on quite a lot in many parts of the world.
At the end of the day, recruitment consultants, agents, or whatever they want to call themselves, should (properly) earn their income from the employers who are trying to fill their vacancies, not by withholding details from candidates and demanding payment from them as a 'gatekeeper' to the job. I think that's a despicable way to make a living.
I do have sympathy for the OP; obviously he is desperately trying to find a job. But I agree with what others have said - by going along with this scam, he would be getting into a situation that is unlikely to have a happy ending.
@ steve_kilo: I think it's clear from everyone's contributions that you DO have other choices, and do NOT need to pay this parasite for the privilege of getting you a job interview. IMO, you should take control of your own destiny and try to secure a job on your own merits, not by paying people like this so-called 'agent'. I know it's not easy, but perseverance always pays off in the end.
Up to you dude and whatever path you choose, good luck. _________________ Yes I have no Masters
at all: thank you guys for your help ..i've dropped the plan now..i will never go for any agents now..i will look for someother place or try some genuine consultant who will work free..
Well done dude. My advice: Use the internet (LinkedIn, FB, etc.), use your contacts, and your contacts' contacts (in a polite, diplomatic, not pushy way). 'Consultants' are ten-a-penny IMHO, and only a few of them genuinely add value or will actually go out of their way to help you.
This thread may serve as a useful reference for other people in similar situations to yours in the future, so you could repay the help given here by updating your status from time to time. I hope things work out well for you. _________________ Yes I have no Masters
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I seriously dont understand why you think that paying the agent is the only way to get a job. I have no idea how it works in other countries. But in Singapore, it just works like in India,
..i've dropped the plan now..i will never go for any agents now..i will look for someother place or try some genuine consultant who will work free..