Hi, I hope it's alright to ask here rather than creating another new thread, because my situation is very similar to OP, except that I hold a degree and I'm not Malaysian, but I'm currently working in Malaysia on a work permit.
I was looking forward to apply for EPEC, but just realized it was discontinued... so what I want to ask is what's the alternative for that? Is there anything else other than LTVP? I kept hearing that LTVP only lasts for 3 months and not renewable, although I'm pretty confident I can find a job in 3 months, but I don't feel safe enough, at least I need 6 months to look for work, and I'm planning to carefully pick the right job, I don't want to make my first Singaporean company simply as a stepping stone.
P.S.: I'm an Indonesian, free visa only lasts 30 days, not 90 days like Malaysians, the second time I went to Singapore, immigration officers already showed suspicion and took my fingerprints, though my past 2 visits to Singapore were mere 3-4 days. So I don't think I can look for job with this social visit visa.
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: Moving to Singapore
sweetgazebo wrote:
OMG! U just saved my life! I sent her a link of our discussion and she agrees to let me stay with her until i get my own. But there is a few things she is worried of and would like u to assist on it.
a) Will she get in trouble of letting me stay at her place even if she is willing to?
As she's the main tenant, see if you can discuss with her and have her asked her landlord for permission for a friend who is visiting to stay (provided you have a valid pass to prove your stay) for x no of days / months.
JR8 Gazebo you missed this earlier comment from Fizz85 'A friend of mine whom is a singaporean, rented a room with her documentation and finally decided to let me (malaysian) stay instead. Is dat consider illegal?'
It is not bunking or staying with friends, it is illegal sub-letting.
b) How do i get the visitor's pass for 90 days?
When you arrive into Singapore, your passport will be stamped with the number of days you are allowed in the country. Be sure to get a valid Singapore address prior to entering the country so that when the immigration officials ask you, you can explain that you are visiting Singapore and staying with a friend. JR8
But she's not. She is illegally sub-letting a room that her SGn friend has set up with SGn documents.
Assuming your job search has exhausted the no of days granted for your stay in Singapore, then do like what a lot of foreigners do - go to JB for a day and come back with a new stamp with new no of valid stay timeframe.
JR8. Border hopping whilst illegally sub-letting. Great, what next! Have you yet to learn your lessons from the adage 'Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we first set out to deceive'?
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Is it given to me automatically as soon as i arrive to Singapore?
Please see reply to (b)
c) Do i have to specifically tell the immigration officer dat I am looking for a job in singapore?
No! And don't do that! Visitors to this country are not allowed to work unless you come here and apply for LTVP (check MOM's website on this acronym)
JR8. Er, she's talking about looking for a job, not working illegally. I can see nothing wrong with telling immigration you're visiting to look for work. Explaining your accommodation arrangements might be another thing though.
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Hi, I hope it's alright to ask here rather than creating another new thread, because my situation is very similar to OP, except that I hold a degree and I'm not Malaysian, but I'm currently working in Malaysia on a work permit.
I was looking forward to apply for EPEC, but just realized it was discontinued... so what I want to ask is what's the alternative for that? Is there anything else other than LTVP? I kept hearing that LTVP only lasts for 3 months and not renewable, although I'm pretty confident I can find a job in 3 months, but I don't feel safe enough, at least I need 6 months to look for work, and I'm planning to carefully pick the right job, I don't want to make my first Singaporean company simply as a stepping stone.
P.S.: I'm an Indonesian, free visa only lasts 30 days, not 90 days like Malaysians, the second time I went to Singapore, immigration officers already showed suspicion and took my fingerprints, though my past 2 visits to Singapore were mere 3-4 days. So I don't think I can look for job with this social visit visa.
I truly understand where ur coming from. Like what i did, i applied most of the jobs online. You might want to check out dis job search site:
http://myjobstreet.jobstreet.com/home/login.php?site= http://sg.jobsdb.com/SG
I kept on applying and submitting my resumes. Gladly now i have 3 interviews dat have kindly arrange for me. If u do not have a place to stay in Singapore, maybe u could just go for a day trip for the sake of the interview purpose if u are called to one.
For a degree holder like u, i don't think it's going to take u up till 6 months to finally have a job. Just keep sending in ur resumes and if possible just directly email them your resume and cover letter. Besides dat, there is also a lot of job recruiters in Singapore dat will somehow recognize ur resume. They will contact you personally and u can tell them specifically what kind of company or position u are interested in.
I think, with that degree of yours, if u ever get a job in Singapore, i don't think you should worry so much about your visas or permit. usually, the company will settled it all provided u have all the documents dat is required.
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Moving to Singapore
JR8 wrote:
sweetgazebo wrote:
OMG! U just saved my life! I sent her a link of our discussion and she agrees to let me stay with her until i get my own. But there is a few things she is worried of and would like u to assist on it.
a) Will she get in trouble of letting me stay at her place even if she is willing to?
As she's the main tenant, see if you can discuss with her and have her asked her landlord for permission for a friend who is visiting to stay (provided you have a valid pass to prove your stay) for x no of days / months.
JR8 Gazebo you missed this earlier comment from Fizz85 'A friend of mine whom is a singaporean, rented a room with her documentation and finally decided to let me (malaysian) stay instead. Is dat consider illegal?'
It is not bunking or staying with friends, it is illegal sub-letting.
b) How do i get the visitor's pass for 90 days?
When you arrive into Singapore, your passport will be stamped with the number of days you are allowed in the country. Be sure to get a valid Singapore address prior to entering the country so that when the immigration officials ask you, you can explain that you are visiting Singapore and staying with a friend.
[color=blue] JR8
But she's not. She is illegally sub-letting a room that her SGn friend has set up with SGn documents.
Assuming your job search has exhausted the no of days granted for your stay in Singapore, then do like what a lot of foreigners do - go to JB for a day and come back with a new stamp with new no of valid stay timeframe.
JR8. Border hopping whilst illegally sub-letting. Great, what next! Have you yet to learn your lessons from the adage 'Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we first set out to deceive'?
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Is it given to me automatically as soon as i arrive to Singapore?
Please see reply to (b)
c) Do i have to specifically tell the immigration officer dat I am looking for a job in singapore?
No! And don't do that! Visitors to this country are not allowed to work unless you come here and apply for LTVP (check MOM's website on this acronym)
JR8. Er, she's talking about looking for a job, not working illegally. I can see nothing wrong with telling immigration you're visiting to look for work. Explaining your accommodation arrangements might be another thing though.
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:48 pm Post subject: Moving to Singapore
JR8 wrote:
Fizz85, a free career guidance tip for you
In English, this and that are written 'this' and 'that'. Not 'dis' and 'dat'.
U probably don't realise how slovenly UR text-speak comes across as, but I'm assuming you wouldn't use this when dealing with potential employers.
LMAO! HEheheh! Yeah, you are right there. I guess, i got too carried away with using THAT kind of short forms in text messaging. : p
Will surely take your advice on this one! hehe
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Moving to Singapore
fizz85, you can ignore the the poster's response to my earlier response to your queries.
take it from me on the following, get a valid visa in Singapore first - you should be able to obtain this when you enter singapore on your first visit.
prior to entering singapore, get permission from your friend as to whether she can allow you to stay with her in this place (be sure she has asked her landlord for permission first on that she will be bringing a friend to stay with her). Then once she's obtained permission and she's alright with you staying / bunking with her, provide this address to immigration that you will be staying at, whilst in singapore visiting.
I would strongly advise that you don't mention you are looking for work coz it may backfire (and this is based on comments on people i know who came to singapore to look for work and gave that reason for them to enter singapore, only to be rejected on the second visit). Nevertheless, malaysians are normally given preference when coming over to singapore and will not be held in suspicion.
Now based on my own personal experience in the past, when my job search exhausted the time limit I am allowed in singapore, I just go over to JB in the morning and return in the evening and when i go over to immigration, viola ! they just stamp my passport with another new timeframe i am allowed to stay in singapore.
all the best!
fizz85 wrote:
JR8 wrote:
sweetgazebo wrote:
OMG! U just saved my life! I sent her a link of our discussion and she agrees to let me stay with her until i get my own. But there is a few things she is worried of and would like u to assist on it.
a) Will she get in trouble of letting me stay at her place even if she is willing to?
As she's the main tenant, see if you can discuss with her and have her asked her landlord for permission for a friend who is visiting to stay (provided you have a valid pass to prove your stay) for x no of days / months.
JR8 Gazebo you missed this earlier comment from Fizz85 'A friend of mine whom is a singaporean, rented a room with her documentation and finally decided to let me (malaysian) stay instead. Is dat consider illegal?'
It is not bunking or staying with friends, it is illegal sub-letting.
b) How do i get the visitor's pass for 90 days?
When you arrive into Singapore, your passport will be stamped with the number of days you are allowed in the country. Be sure to get a valid Singapore address prior to entering the country so that when the immigration officials ask you, you can explain that you are visiting Singapore and staying with a friend.
[color=blue] JR8
But she's not. She is illegally sub-letting a room that her SGn friend has set up with SGn documents.
Assuming your job search has exhausted the no of days granted for your stay in Singapore, then do like what a lot of foreigners do - go to JB for a day and come back with a new stamp with new no of valid stay timeframe.
JR8. Border hopping whilst illegally sub-letting. Great, what next! Have you yet to learn your lessons from the adage 'Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we first set out to deceive'?
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Is it given to me automatically as soon as i arrive to Singapore?
Please see reply to (b)
c) Do i have to specifically tell the immigration officer dat I am looking for a job in singapore?
No! And don't do that! Visitors to this country are not allowed to work unless you come here and apply for LTVP (check MOM's website on this acronym)
JR8. Er, she's talking about looking for a job, not working illegally. I can see nothing wrong with telling immigration you're visiting to look for work. Explaining your accommodation arrangements might be another thing though.
I'm pretty confused here guys! Hehe! Help! [/quote]
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: Moving to Singapore
sweetgazebo wrote:
I just go over to JB in the morning and return in the evening and when i go over to immigration, viola ! they just stamp my passport with another new timeframe i am allowed to stay in singapore.
Wow, ICA play you a musical accompaniment, that must be nice.
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:07 pm Post subject: Re: Moving to Singapore
JR8 wrote:
sweetgazebo wrote:
I just go over to JB in the morning and return in the evening and when i go over to immigration, viola ! they just stamp my passport with another new timeframe i am allowed to stay in singapore.
Wow, ICA play you a musical accompaniment, that must be nice.
Am I the only one who saw this and starting giggling?
(Apologies for jumping into a completely random thread, by the way) _________________ Any time is a good time to draw.
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: Moving to Singapore
sweetgazebo wrote:
fizz85, you can ignore the the poster's response to my earlier response to your queries.
Ah, because you are the exclusive fountain of all wisdom lah?
take it from me on the following, get a valid visa in Singapore first - you should be able to obtain this when you enter singapore on your first visit.
Well yes let's hope you 'should' get one on entry, or, er, er, er, lets think about this for a minute, you won't be allowed in! Violas or not! Good advice there Gazebo - Not!
prior to entering singapore, get permission from your friend as to whether she can allow you to stay with her
But she won't be.
in this place (be sure she has asked her landlord for permission first on that she will be bringing a friend to stay with her)
But that's not the situation.
Then once she's obtained permission and she's alright with you staying / bunking with her,
But she isn't
provide this address to immigration that you will be staying at, whilst in singapore visiting.
I hope you're not publicly advocating lying and breaking the law Gazebo. You know that's verboten here!
edit: typo
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There's a lot more sites than what fizz85 has quoted below. Contact Singapore is a good starting point.
BTW, I just realised the LTVP can only be applied for a dependent. So if you are the sole applicant for the LTVP it will not entertained. You might want to re-check on this on MoM's website.
Lastly, do like what fizz85 is doing / has done. Come visit Singapore on a valid visiting pass and use that timeframe to look for a job. I believe that timeframe SGP immigration grants on your passport should give you enough time to hunt around. If not, there's always JB across the crossway.
Best of luck!
fizz85 wrote:
Fulvian wrote:
Hi, I hope it's alright to ask here rather than creating another new thread, because my situation is very similar to OP, except that I hold a degree and I'm not Malaysian, but I'm currently working in Malaysia on a work permit.
I was looking forward to apply for EPEC, but just realized it was discontinued... so what I want to ask is what's the alternative for that? Is there anything else other than LTVP? I kept hearing that LTVP only lasts for 3 months and not renewable, although I'm pretty confident I can find a job in 3 months, but I don't feel safe enough, at least I need 6 months to look for work, and I'm planning to carefully pick the right job, I don't want to make my first Singaporean company simply as a stepping stone.
P.S.: I'm an Indonesian, free visa only lasts 30 days, not 90 days like Malaysians, the second time I went to Singapore, immigration officers already showed suspicion and took my fingerprints, though my past 2 visits to Singapore were mere 3-4 days. So I don't think I can look for job with this social visit visa.
I truly understand where ur coming from. Like what i did, i applied most of the jobs online. You might want to check out dis job search site:
http://myjobstreet.jobstreet.com/home/login.php?site= http://sg.jobsdb.com/SG
I kept on applying and submitting my resumes. Gladly now i have 3 interviews dat have kindly arrange for me. If u do not have a place to stay in Singapore, maybe u could just go for a day trip for the sake of the interview purpose if u are called to one.
For a degree holder like u, i don't think it's going to take u up till 6 months to finally have a job. Just keep sending in ur resumes and if possible just directly email them your resume and cover letter. Besides dat, there is also a lot of job recruiters in Singapore dat will somehow recognize ur resume. They will contact you personally and u can tell them specifically what kind of company or position u are interested in.
I think, with that degree of yours, if u ever get a job in Singapore, i don't think you should worry so much about your visas or permit. usually, the company will settled it all provided u have all the documents dat is required.
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:55 pm Post subject: Re: Moving to Singapore
fizz85 wrote:
JR8 wrote:
Fizz85, a free career guidance tip for you
In English, this and that are written 'this' and 'that'. Not 'dis' and 'dat'.
U probably don't realise how slovenly UR text-speak comes across as, but I'm assuming you wouldn't use this when dealing with potential employers.
LMAO! HEheheh! Yeah, you are right there. I guess, i got too carried away with using THAT kind of short forms in text messaging. : p
Will surely take your advice on this one! hehe
Yep, you never know who reads these sites and who you might be interviewing with the next day. You wouldn't get very far with that kind of writing sitting across the desk from me I guarantee you. Unless, that is, you are only a PLSE holder applying for the position of a vector control worker. Then, if you are still breathing I'll hire you as long as you can carry 7 kg. _________________ . . . .Click here for >>> Helpful Links and Resources For Expats in Singapore
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:55 pm Post subject: Re: Moving to Singapore
sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Yep, you never know who reads these sites and who you might be interviewing with the next day. You wouldn't get very far with that kind of writing sitting across the desk from me I guarantee you. Unless, that is, you are only a PLSE holder applying for the position of a vector control worker. Then, if you are still breathing I'll hire you as long as you can carry 7 kg.
Can't help it but to smile at your comment. True indeed.
In fact, from my encounters with those from pest management industry in Singapore, this type of license is now held by mostly foreigners (especially from Myanmar, China, etc). Heck, you don't see much of even Malaysians holding this one. _________________ scratched by the lynx
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dis .... dat .... lazy way of speaking / writing m'anglish! but then again, speaking m'anglish sounds so humble. I'd rather say 'solli fren din call u' than 'I am sorry I did not return your call', the latter too long-winded
fizz85 wrote:
I truly understand where ur coming from. Like what i did, i applied most of the jobs online. You might want to check out dis job search site:
http://myjobstreet.jobstreet.com/home/login.php?site= http://sg.jobsdb.com/SG
I kept on applying and submitting my resumes. Gladly now i have 3 interviews dat have kindly arrange for me. ....
Actually I had done what fizz85 suggested. I've been sending application to many Singaporean companies through various job sites every day for the past few months, but none of them ever contacted me, instead I've been hunted down by numerous Malaysian companies and recruiters. I'm guessing either the Singaporean companies realized I'm abroad and must not be ready for interview or I've been simply unlucky, I tend to believe it's the former, that's why I'm considering moving to Singapore first and seek jobs from there instead.
Is it true that LTVP is dependent upon existing visas? I'm a lone ranger and have no relatives/family/spouse in Singapore
I am guessing fizz85 is able to secure interviews due to her profile. From my experience, the more qualified you are and then again, depending on which field are you applying for jobs, the more difficult it would be to secure interviews from outside of Singapore.
In my case, for eg., I send out like close to 900 apps in the last 2 years I was out of Singapore and only managed to secure 2 interviews, with one of the interviews only reverting back 1.5 years later. On top of this, I have a dual degree from a well-known university in Europe at that! The competition was tough!
Since being in Singapore, I have noticed it's easier for me to secure interviews here. A lot of recruiters have advised that it would be better to secure interviews whilst still in the country becoz it would be easier for them to contact you and have you come for a face-to-face interview with them than for them to fly you out of the country for an interview (which in my case happened for one of my interviews when I was applying for jobs from outside of Singapore).
I know of some of my countrymen who have taken the risk of resigning from their jobs back home, come into Singapore on a visitor's visa, bunk with a friend and secure interviews during their visit here. It's been a higher success rate so far for these people than for those who apply for jobs from outside of Singapore.
Since you don't know anyone in Singapore, then you will have to prepare to spend on accomodation for the time you are allowed in the country to look for jobs. There are places in Singapore, if you searched thoroughly, are going for only $15-20 / night (only room/bed and shared room/bathroom) with internet access (per min charges).
And yes, if you have done your research, the LTVP can only be sponsored by the existing pass holder for his/her dependants.
Fulvian wrote:
Actually I had done what fizz85 suggested. I've been sending application to many Singaporean companies through various job sites every day for the past few months, but none of them ever contacted me, instead I've been hunted down by numerous Malaysian companies and recruiters. I'm guessing either the Singaporean companies realized I'm abroad and must not be ready for interview or I've been simply unlucky, I tend to believe it's the former, that's why I'm considering moving to Singapore first and seek jobs from there instead.
Is it true that LTVP is dependent upon existing visas? I'm a lone ranger and have no relatives/family/spouse in Singapore
Thanks for the prompt reply and sharing your experience.
I don't really mind nor feel worried about the accommodation or cost of living while looking for job there, I've been saving for years for this plan...
What I'm worried is the visa, in the past I had done numerous visa-runs to enter Malaysia before I got my legit work permit (it might be why the Singaporean immigration already felt suspicious on my second holiday entrance to Singapore last month, they might think "if this guy has been visa-running very often in a neighboring country in the past, he might plan to do it here as well").
Wish I could get a visa that would last a few months that lets me legally seek jobs. In short, an alternative to EPEC which lasts a few months (preferably half a year just to feel safe).
the only other option is the PEP but you would need to prove you were earning at least $8k in your current role. Another barrier with the PEP is getting a local sponsor. Without a local sponsor, chances of getting the PEP is slim.
Fulvian wrote:
Thanks for the prompt reply and sharing your experience.
I don't really mind nor feel worried about the accommodation or cost of living while looking for job there, I've been saving for years for this plan...
What I'm worried is the visa, in the past I had done numerous visa-runs to enter Malaysia before I got my legit work permit (it might be why the Singaporean immigration already felt suspicious on my second holiday entrance to Singapore last month, they might think "if this guy has been visa-running very often in a neighboring country in the past, he might plan to do it here as well").
Wish I could get a visa that would last a few months that lets me legally seek jobs. In short, an alternative to EPEC which lasts a few months (preferably half a year just to feel safe).
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