| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
| | |
bsyaja
Newbie
Joined: 19 Jul 2009
Posts: 3
|
 Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:49 pm Post subject: Renouncing Singapore Citizenship - Catch 22 |
 |
|
Hi,
I am a registered Singapore citizen and I am currently residing in India and have decided to take up Indian citizenship and renounce the Singapore citizenship as I am about to retire and plan to get back my cpf monies for my childrens education. (I was originally from India and had taken up a singapore citizenship years back).
My application for Indan citizenship has been approved and I am now asked to submit the "certificate of the renunciation of foreign citizenship" from Singapore for getting my Indian citizenship certificate.
But I gather that to renounce Singapore citizenship, one is required to submit a copy of the foreign citizenship certificate and foreign passport which I do not have yet.
Now this is a catch22 situation as I need the renunication certificate to get my new citizenship certificate and the renunciation certificate is issued only upon submission of the new citizenship certificate.
Can anyone please advice, if there is a workaround or if anyone has ever faced or heard of this kind of situations.
Thanks for the help
PS: India also does not allow Dual citizenship at the moment. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
|
|
sundaymorningstaple
Moderator
Joined: 11 Nov 2004
Posts: 21804
Location: Still Fishing!
|
| Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:16 pm Post subject: |
|
|
It sounds like you wanted the best of both worlds, giving up your indian citizenship to take up Singapore Citizenship and now that you have retired you want your indian citizenship back again. Not a catch 22, but a dilemma of your own making.
Work around? None that I know about. But opinion wise, looks like a lot of kopi money is going to have to change hands (maybe all of your cpf?). Course I've heard most anything can be done there with enough money.
I don't think you need to have anything to renounce your Citizenship in Singapore other than having fulfilled all your obligations to the government here. It's just not a wise thing to do, renouncing your citizenship without having another citizenship. You could conceivably end up a stateless person.
_________________
. .
. .Click here for >>> Helpful Links and Resources For Expats in Singapore |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bsyaja
Newbie
Joined: 19 Jul 2009
Posts: 3
|
| Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
"I don't think you need to have anything to renounce your Citizenship in Singapore other than having fulfilled all your obligations to the government here. "
I do not have any obligations whatsoever to the government back in Singapore. I have a clean slate there - No NS or any other pending issue.
"It's just not a wise thing to do, renouncing your citizenship without having another citizenship. You could conceivably end up a stateless person."
I believe its only a technical issue. My Indian citizenship application has already been approved. Its just that I do not have the certificate yet to provide to the ICA. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jpatokal
Moderator
Joined: 09 Dec 2003
Posts: 3031
Location: Terra Australis Incognita
|
| Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| bsyaja wrote: | "It's just not a wise thing to do, renouncing your citizenship without having another citizenship. You could conceivably end up a stateless person."
I believe its only a technical issue. My Indian citizenship application has already been approved. Its just that I do not have the certificate yet to provide to the ICA. |
Do you have an approval letter that you can show to the ICA?
_________________
Vaguely heretical thoughts on travel technology at Gyrovague |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bsyaja
Newbie
Joined: 19 Jul 2009
Posts: 3
|
| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:33 am Post subject: |
|
|
Yes I do have an approval letter. But I am not sure if the ICA will accept the approval letter or rather insist on my Indian registration letter/passport.
I tried calling up the ICA but wasnt able to reach anybody. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
sundaymorningstaple
Moderator
Joined: 11 Nov 2004
Posts: 21804
Location: Still Fishing!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
sivauma
Newbie
Joined: 16 Aug 2009
Posts: 2
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:33 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| You can try the ICA website |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
sivauma
Newbie
Joined: 16 Aug 2009
Posts: 2
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:22 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Hi,
How long does it took you to get the Indian Citizenship approved?
Thanks |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
lkJosin
Newbie
Joined: 25 Apr 2010
Posts: 1
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:25 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| bsyaja wrote: | Yes I do have an approval letter. But I am not sure if the ICA will accept the approval letter or rather insist on my Indian registration letter/passport.
I tried calling up the ICA but wasnt able to reach anybody. |
Hello, have you got any solution for this issue and managed to get back indian passport? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Mad Scientist
Director
Joined: 03 Dec 2009
Posts: 3056
Location: TIMBUKTU
|
| Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:52 am Post subject: |
|
|
deleted
_________________
The positive thinker sees the invisible, feels the intangible, and achieves the impossible.Yahoo !!!
Last edited by Mad Scientist on Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:17 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
Tau Beta
Regular
Joined: 25 Mar 2010
Posts: 50
Location: Corn field
|
| Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:21 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Mad Scientist wrote: | | lkJosin wrote: | | bsyaja wrote: | Yes I do have an approval letter. But I am not sure if the ICA will accept the approval letter or rather insist on my Indian registration letter/passport.
I tried calling up the ICA but wasnt able to reach anybody. |
Hello, have you got any solution for this issue and managed to get back indian passport? |
BYSAJA, LKJOSIN
Renunciation of SG Citizenship cannot be obtain online.
You have to e-mail to Citizen Advise Bureau for the forms
You CANNOT SUBMIT APPROVAL Letter for renunciation. It must be a copy of your foreign citizenship and foreign passport signed by yourself infront of a PUBLIC NOTARY or Officials of the SG Mission in India.
YOu have to submit other docs too as required in the forms.
The right to renounce apart from being above 21 and having a sound mind and gaining foreign citizen, the onus to let you go is NOT YOURSELF BUT THE SG GAHMEN.
They will determine if you have a clean bill or NOT.
This is the protocol and follow this for solution
MS  |
Hi MS - But according to this guy he couldn't get his "official" Indian citizenship and passport...until SG GAHMEN respond with renunciation cert from SG. Hence, catch-22.
So... are u suggesting that he close the gap with the Indian Gahmen first through whatever means 'cuz the process doesn't jive well with standard proc? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Mad Scientist
Director
Joined: 03 Dec 2009
Posts: 3056
Location: TIMBUKTU
|
| Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:36 am Post subject: |
|
|
deleted
_________________
The positive thinker sees the invisible, feels the intangible, and achieves the impossible.Yahoo !!!
Last edited by Mad Scientist on Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:18 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Koalabear
Chatter
Joined: 27 Jul 2009
Posts: 156
|
| Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:02 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Mad Scientist wrote: | TB
Have you ever wonder why Gahmen do this ?
Answer: It is to make it difficult for this category of "quitters" 
There is no catch 22 in this circumstances. This docs has been there for ages. You want it , follow the step if not don't do it
 |
can a man usually renounce his SG citizenship without serving any reservice cycles? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Mad Scientist
Director
Joined: 03 Dec 2009
Posts: 3056
Location: TIMBUKTU
|
| Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:38 am Post subject: |
|
|
deleted
_________________
The positive thinker sees the invisible, feels the intangible, and achieves the impossible.Yahoo !!!
Last edited by Mad Scientist on Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:18 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Koalabear
Chatter
Joined: 27 Jul 2009
Posts: 156
|
| Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:23 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Mad Scientist wrote: | | Koalabear wrote: | | Mad Scientist wrote: | TB
Have you ever wonder why Gahmen do this ?
Answer: It is to make it difficult for this category of "quitters"
There is no catch 22 in this circumstances. This docs has been there for ages. You want it , follow the step if not don't do it
|
can a man usually renounce his SG citizenship without serving any reservice cycles? |
KB
LOOOOOOng time no hear. What have you been up to ???
ALL SORTED ???
The requirement is quite straightforward
1. Must be of sound mind
2. Must be above 21 years of age
3. Acquired foreign citizenship
4. All docs to notaries
But the grey area is where you will have problems. NS liabilities for NS reservist is not stated there as long as you have serve the compulsory 2 yrs , yes, technically you can renounce. But I am not sure how long it will take or will they make complication for you. Usually 2 months
MS |
yeah! I was busy preparing for my pmp exam. Was able to use a few months of NS sai kang project hours into the hours requirement lol! Will update u on my issue as soon as i get any info |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Tau Beta
Regular
Joined: 25 Mar 2010
Posts: 50
Location: Corn field
|
| Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Mad Scientist wrote: | TB
Have you ever wonder why Gahmen do this ?
Answer: It is to make it difficult for this category of "quitters"
There is no catch 22 in this circumstances. This docs has been there for ages. You want it , follow the step if not don't do it
|
I totally see that ... is like..Gahmen have strong memories  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Koalabear
Chatter
Joined: 27 Jul 2009
Posts: 156
|
| Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:31 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Tau Beta wrote: | | Mad Scientist wrote: | TB
Have you ever wonder why Gahmen do this ?
Answer: It is to make it difficult for this category of "quitters"
There is no catch 22 in this circumstances. This docs has been there for ages. You want it , follow the step if not don't do it
|
I totally see that ... is like..Gahmen have strong memories |
not just strong memories, but eternal memories unless you destroy their database storage in the bukit timah cave + other classified areas I cannot tell. My mum was in a contract team that planned for the mindef data backup system and she told me there are different levels of backups for different data. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Tau Beta
Regular
Joined: 25 Mar 2010
Posts: 50
Location: Corn field
|
| Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 2:48 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Koalabear wrote: | | Tau Beta wrote: | | Mad Scientist wrote: | TB
Have you ever wonder why Gahmen do this ?
Answer: It is to make it difficult for this category of "quitters"
There is no catch 22 in this circumstances. This docs has been there for ages. You want it , follow the step if not don't do it
|
I totally see that ... is like..Gahmen have strong memories |
not just strong memories, but eternal memories unless you destroy their database storage in the bukit timah cave + other classified areas I cannot tell. My mum was in a contract team that planned for the mindef data backup system and she told me there are different levels of backups for different data. |
Got it! NOTE TO SELF - DO NOT PISSED OFF GAHMEN.  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Mad Scientist
Director
Joined: 03 Dec 2009
Posts: 3056
Location: TIMBUKTU
|
| Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:09 am Post subject: |
|
|
deleted
_________________
The positive thinker sees the invisible, feels the intangible, and achieves the impossible.Yahoo !!!
Last edited by Mad Scientist on Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:19 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Koalabear
Chatter
Joined: 27 Jul 2009
Posts: 156
|
| Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:26 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Mad Scientist wrote: | | Koalabear wrote: | | Tau Beta wrote: | | Mad Scientist wrote: | TB
Have you ever wonder why Gahmen do this ?
Answer: It is to make it difficult for this category of "quitters"
There is no catch 22 in this circumstances. This docs has been there for ages. You want it , follow the step if not don't do it
|
I totally see that ... is like..Gahmen have strong memories |
not just strong memories, but eternal memories unless you destroy their database storage in the bukit timah cave + other classified areas I cannot tell. My mum was in a contract team that planned for the mindef data backup system and she told me there are different levels of backups for different data. |
KB
You might want to read this on the renunciation thing to support my earlier post
* A Singapore citizen of or over the age of 21 years and of sound mind who is about to become a citizen of another country may apply to renounce his Singapore Citizenship. However, the Government may withhold the registration of a declaration of renunciation-
a) if the declaration is made during any war in which Singapore is engaged; or
b) if the declaration is made by a person subject to the Enlistment Act unless he has
(i) discharge his liability for full-time service under section 12 of the Act;
(ii) rendered at least 3 years of reserve service under section 13 of that Act in lieu of such full-time service; or
(iii) compiled with such conditions as may be determined by Government. |
THIS SUCKS. Now lets see what constitutes a PES E downgrade. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
Mad Scientist
Director
Joined: 03 Dec 2009
Posts: 3056
Location: TIMBUKTU
|
| Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:31 pm Post subject: |
|
|
deleted
_________________
The positive thinker sees the invisible, feels the intangible, and achieves the impossible.Yahoo !!!
Last edited by Mad Scientist on Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:20 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Koalabear
Chatter
Joined: 27 Jul 2009
Posts: 156
|
| Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:21 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Mad Scientist wrote: | | Koalabear wrote: |
THIS SUCKS. Now lets see what constitutes a PES E downgrade. |
Same as what I said. Technically yes but chances are touch and go as you have to serve minimum 3 yrs in the reservist.
Or if you have release letter from Mindef which is about 40 years old or from CPC saying that you are not required to serve reservist anymore
How can you be Pes E when you are an RP during active ?
Did I miss something here ? |
well MRI is a "look for demon mirror". You can always find some imperfection I guess haha. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Mad Scientist
Director
Joined: 03 Dec 2009
Posts: 3056
Location: TIMBUKTU
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:10 am Post subject: |
|
|
deleted
_________________
The positive thinker sees the invisible, feels the intangible, and achieves the impossible.Yahoo !!!
Last edited by Mad Scientist on Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:21 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Koalabear
Chatter
Joined: 27 Jul 2009
Posts: 156
|
| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 10:28 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Mad Scientist wrote: | | Koalabear wrote: | | Mad Scientist wrote: | | Koalabear wrote: |
THIS SUCKS. Now lets see what constitutes a PES E downgrade. |
Same as what I said. Technically yes but chances are touch and go as you have to serve minimum 3 yrs in the reservist.
Or if you have release letter from Mindef which is about 40 years old or from CPC saying that you are not required to serve reservist anymore
How can you be Pes E when you are an RP during active ?
Did I miss something here ? |
well MRI is a "look for demon mirror". You can always find some imperfection I guess haha. |
Naughty naughty .......!!!
If you can do that, do it, and send it to CPC and get CMPB to get a release letter for you for no more reservist call up.
Used to Col. Rupert but not sure now
If all done you are almost home free lest you forget to do the renounce paper properly
BTW what goes on two, stays on two. Best not to talk about level 1 thingey here as there are only a handful knows what goes round
MS  |
I was just kidding. I want to wait at least im drawing a good salary before doing reservice so mindef must reimburse my salary. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
quitter
Newbie
Joined: 24 May 2010
Posts: 6
|
| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 1:56 pm Post subject: |
|
|
This is going to crack all of you up!
I emailed ICA and the Canberra High Comission about renouncing my Singapore citizenship but 2 weeks now and still no reply. I rang Canberra last week about my email and some lady said to email and they will send the forms to me through that email. As of today, nothing.
Anyone has any idea why I am not getting anywhere with renouncing citizenship on my own accord? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Mad Scientist
Director
Joined: 03 Dec 2009
Posts: 3056
Location: TIMBUKTU
|
| Posted: Mon May 24, 2010 3:52 pm Post subject: |
|
|
deleted
_________________
The positive thinker sees the invisible, feels the intangible, and achieves the impossible.Yahoo !!!
Last edited by Mad Scientist on Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:22 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
quitter
Newbie
Joined: 24 May 2010
Posts: 6
|
| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 10:37 am Post subject: |
|
|
Thanks. Finally got an email yesterday from some woman called Eileen...
now I just need to gather all my documents... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Mad Scientist
Director
Joined: 03 Dec 2009
Posts: 3056
Location: TIMBUKTU
|
| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 11:07 am Post subject: |
|
|
deleted
_________________
The positive thinker sees the invisible, feels the intangible, and achieves the impossible.Yahoo !!!
Last edited by Mad Scientist on Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:22 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
quitter
Newbie
Joined: 24 May 2010
Posts: 6
|
| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 11:21 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Mad Scientist wrote: | | quitter wrote: | Thanks. Finally got an email yesterday from some woman called Eileen...
now I just need to gather all my documents... |
No worries, let us know how you get on with this application.
Throw a line or howl if need help |
Sure thing! Then we can put an end to the NS liability/reservist debate, unless this is a case by case basis thingy, then we are back to square 1. 
Yes the 3 year reservist criteria is 1 part I do not fulfil. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Mad Scientist
Director
Joined: 03 Dec 2009
Posts: 3056
Location: TIMBUKTU
|
| Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 12:26 pm Post subject: |
|
|
deleted
_________________
The positive thinker sees the invisible, feels the intangible, and achieves the impossible.Yahoo !!!
Last edited by Mad Scientist on Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:24 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| | |
|
Classifieds
FAQ
Profile
Register
Search
Log in
Log in to check your private messages
